Forwarded from Brian Cahill

[Xxxx Xxxxxx <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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From: Nigel Irritable <nigel_irritable@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Debate on Proyect's list


Hi Xxxx,

Could you forwsrd this to Louis Proyect's list please?
I haven't been subscribed for some time as I don't
have time to deal with the weight of mail. I've been
following your exchange on the Falklands and Ireland
with interest.

Domhnall said:

> The notion of working-class unity is indeed
> something we would all support.
> However, only people living in semi-detached houses
> in the home counties could really hope for such a
> dream-come-true.

It has been a little while since I've seen the provo
view so clearly expressed, by someone claiming to be a
socialist. Working class unity is a fairy tale, only
believed in by wealthy English people. A dismissal of
a majority of the Northern Irish working class is
combined with a dismissal of those who disagree as
somehow middle class.


> In order to create working class (and farmer)
> solidarity in Ireland, it will be necessary to
> advance some form of Bourgeois all-Ireland
> democracy in order that those of us representing the
> excluded interests will coalesce (across the
> unnatural borders).

"Labour must wait" reborn. Straight from the mouth of
DeValera. First we kick out the Brits. Then the Prods
will fall neatly into line. Then we can all "coalesce"
against our new, green, capitalist masters.

The sheer unreality of this world view is remarkable.
The Protestants are allowed no agency of their own. In
fact, the majority of the Northern working class
barely exist for the authors of this kind of schema.
Everything boils down to a dispute between Catholics
(who must fight for "some kind of bourgeois
all-Ireland democracy") and the British. The
Protestants have no role to play. For that matter, the
only role Catholic workers are to play is to fight for
the perceived interests of the Catholic rich.

Is mise le meas,
Brian Cahill

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