More on bin laden's convenient reversal of position

[Borba100@xxxxxxx]

Today Lou called me "Mulder." I am informed by Nestor the knowledgeable that
Mulder is the star of "X-files": a guy who believes in little green men.
Ahhh: a joke.

Lou's actual political argument is nonsense and it is astounding that he, who
used to have nothing but praise for tenc.net, makes it.  What of Emperor's
Clothes slogan, "CUTTING THROUGH A FOG OF LIES" How can one have uniform lies
without conspiracy?

In answer to my point that the broadcasting of bin laden's speech to every
American home was suspiciously convenient for creating an emotional climate
reeptive to attacking Afghanistan, Lou says:

<<
 Today's NY Times explains how bin Laden's video appearance on Al-Ghazeera
 was picked up by CNN and MSNBC. Once it appeared there, it was only a
 matter of time before it appeared everywhere. After all, the bourgeois
 media is always interested in market share, even when it comes to
 broadcasting the words of its sworn enemy >>

Is Lou seriously telling us that the mass media is not organized to lie to
defend US foreign policy? If there is no organization behind the scenes, how
is it that the exact same lies are repeated in the exact same ways for ten
years about the Serbs?  Is that because of ''market share?''  Does market
share hate a Serb?  Does it hate the anti-KLA people in Macedonia?  Was it
market share that induced every part of the US dominated media to praise
Bosnia's Izetbegovic as a liberal democrat when in fact he was openly an
Islamist terrorist?  Why wouldn't some - at least some - go for "market
share" by exposing the lies told by the others?  If this media stuff was NOT
planned, how does it happen with such meticulous consistency?  Is it all
coincidence?

Describing the  route which the NY Times says bin laden's speech took (who
knows if the Times is accurate? and why on earth do they find it necessary to
describe the route?) does not contradict the fact that the powers that be a)
did broadcast it all over and  put it on page 1 not (as with his earlier
interview) on page 50 and b) that this came at precisely the time it was
needed.

And there's the clincher, conveniently overlooked by Lou in his apology for
the US establishment: a week ago bin Laden said "America is not our enemy"
and condemned 9-11 as a plot by the Jews, Russians, Serbs and Indians - and
now, just when needed to justify the US attack, this clown completely
switches position so that a) now he hates America and b) Islamists did 9-11
and c) they should go to heaven (he makes a personal request to god to act on
this.)

If he wanted to defeat the US government - rather than help it - he would
have continued to broadcast his innocence, blame it on the russians, serbs,
indians and Jews, and say only monsters could accuse Islamists of doing 9-11.
(which is exactly what he had said a week ago). So.......

Does one have to see little green men to smell a rotten fish in that oh so
convenient transformation?

Lou' drapes himself in marx, and since the dead cannot defend thsemvles, let
me say this.  I have read lots and lots of marx.  Mr. Marx believed that the
Establishment conspired all the time, and wrote scores of newspaper articles
exposing those conspiracies. Mr. lenin criticized leftists for not conspiring
seriously enough. To paraphrase the 'Godfather': ridicule of the notion that
ALL successful political movements conspire is a trick of the rich to keep
the poor in their place.

Let me repost a few quotes in which Marx and Lenin Mulder over the matter of
conspiracy.  (If "mulder over" doesn't sound funny, blame Lou.)  I have
included some web addresses - the text in each case is simply spectacular.
Especially Marx. (Marxists read MARX - now there is a revolutionary idea!)
Jared

Karl Marx
The Civil War in France

The Third Address
May, 1871
[The Fall of Paris]

"SLAVEHOLDERS' CONSPIRACY"

"The first attempt of the slaveholders' conspiracy to put down Paris by
getting the Prussians to occupy it was frustrated by Bismarck's refusal.

"The second attempt, that of March 18, ended in the rout of the army and the
flight to Versailles of the government, which ordered the whole
administration to break up and follow in its track. "

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"conspirators in the South"

MARX
"If the border states, the disputed areas in which the two systems have
hitherto contended for domination, are a thorn in the flesh of the South,
there can, on the other hand, be no mistake that, in the course of the war up
to now, they have constituted the chief weakness of the North. One section of
the slaveholders in these districts simulated loyalty to the North at the
bidding of the conspirators in the South; another section found that in fact
it was in accordance with their real interests and traditional ideas to go
with the Union. Both sections have equally crippled the North. Anxiety to
keep the "loyal" slaveholders of the border states in good humour, fear of
throwing them into the arms of secession, in a word, tender regard for the
interests, prejudices and sensibilities of these ambiguous allies, has
smitten the Union government with incurable weakness since the beginning of
the war, driven it to half measures, forced it to dissemble away the
principle of the war and to spare the foe's most vulnerable spot, the root of
the evil - slavery itself." - ('The Civil War in the United States' Written:
Late October, 1861 Source: Marx/Engels Collected Works, Volume 19  Go to
http://csf.colorado.edu/mirrors/marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1860/uscivwar/
cw09.htm

*************

"royalist conspiracy"  (also, the similar "intrigue against each other" )

MARX
"Before we pursue parliamentary history further, some remarks are necessary
to avoid common misconceptions regarding the whole character of the epoch
that lies before us. Looked at with the eyes of democrats, the period of the
Legislative National Assembly is concerned with what the period of the
Constituent Assembly was concerned with: the simple struggle between
republicans and royalists. The movement itself, however, they sum up in the
one shibboleth: "reaction" -- night, in which all cats are gray and which
permits them to reel off their night watchman's commonplaces. And to be sure,
at first sight the party of Order reveals a maze of different royalist
factions which not only intrigue against each other -- each seeking to
elevate its own pretender to the throne and exclude the pretender of the
opposing faction -- but also all unite in common hatred of, and common
onslaughts on, the "republic." In opposition to this royalist conspiracy the
Montagne, for its part, appears as the representative of the "republic." The
party of Order appears to be perpetually engaged in a "reaction," directed
against press, association, and the like, neither more nor less than in
Prussia, and, as in Prussia, carried out in the form of brutal police
intervention by the bureaucracy, the gendarmerie, and the law courts. The
Montagne, for its part, is just as continually occupied in warding off these
attacks and thus defending the "eternal rights of man" as every so-called
people's party has done, more or less, for a century and a half. If one looks
at the situation and the parties more closely, however, this superficial
appearance, which veils the class struggle and the peculiar physiognomy of
this period, disappears." ('18th Brumaire of L Bonaparte'
http://www.raggedclaws.com/criticalrealism/archive/brumaire_iii.html

"the Kornilov
revolt was a military conspiracy supported by the landowners and capitalists"

LENIN
"During the past half year of our revolution, we have experienced very strong
spontaneous outbursts (April 20-21,[15] July 3-4) in which the proletariat
came very close to starting a civil war. On the other hand, the Kornilov
revolt was a military conspiracy supported by the landowners and capitalists
led by the Cadet Party, a conspiracy by which the bourgeoisie has actually
begun a civil war. Such are the facts. Such is the history of our own
revolution. More than anything we must learn from this history, we must give
a great deal of thought to the course it has taken and to its class
significance."  (V. I. Lenin, 'THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION AND CIVIL WAR'
http://www.marx2mao.org/Lenin/RRCW17.html
********
Folks they DO conspire. OF COURSE they conspire. EVERY political force
conspires especially when, like the US establishment, they are trying to
conquor the world.

Jared

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