Re: Comment for Jose and response to Re: Query

["Martin Zehr" <m_zehr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Gary,
   Don't count on that, the so-called left in the US  is unlikely to ever
find itself in such a position as it is irrelevant and lacks credibility.

   Personally, I think Jose understands perfectly the concept of complicity
in the crimes of authority, for which the American public MAY one day be
held accountable. I suggest that until other nations of the world hold the
US accountable for its actions, whether in Vietnem or Chile or anywhere
else, there will continue to be an America unchecked by the bounds of reason
or humanity.

   I do not anticipate American citizens having the foresight to take such
steps on their own. Neither are they likely to fully grasp the implications
of the policies of the U.S. government. So, all actions that can be
accomplished in other nations would surely be welcome in exposing the true
character of those policies.


>From: Gary MacLennan <g.maclennan@xxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Comment for Jose and response to Re: Query
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:17:27 +1000
>
>Christ Jose, you can be one bad tempered sour bastard at times. Don't you
>ever chill out?
>
>Carroll,
>
>I often think the same about being here in Australia.  I cannot quite bring
>myself to say "I am an Australian". But here I am a citizen of a
>mini-imperial power; the ever faithful henchman of the USA. Moreover it
>seems that there is little can be done to change this nation.
>
>
>The reality of USA is that most of its citizens are outside of the
>"political class".  The word citizen has to be written with scare quotes as
>"citizen".
>
>Mac is correct to say you are inside the belly of the beast but in a way it
>could one day turn out to be both a privilege and an opportunity.  At least
>the Left in America might one day again give Leviathan a belly ache.
>
>regards
>
>Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>At 12:01  10/12/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>Well, if you believe yourself to be a citizen of such a nation, in any
>>meaningful sense of the term, it tells me either that a) you're Bill
>>Gates,
>>Ted Turner, or somewhere in between in the list of the richest people on
>>the
>>planet or b) you're laboring under a ton of illusions.
>>
>>José
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Carrol Cox" <cbcox@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <lbo-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 11:11 PM
>>Subject: Query
>>
>>
>>What does it mean to be a citizen of a criminal nation
>>like the United States in the year 2000? A state whose
>>power and policies cast a pall over the existence of
>>6 billion people?
>>
>>Carrol
>

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