Re: the role of forced labor

[Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

>  >Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>
>>  Xxxx:
>>
>>  >If you think that capitalism contributes to
>>  >wealth of nations *equally*, you deny imperialism.
>>
>>  >You know, _no one on this list_ thinks that "capitalism >contributes
>>  >to wealth of nations *equally*," but if you have evidence to >the
>  > >contrary, I'd like you to present it.
>
>I did not say you said it. I was making a general statement from what we
>can *deduce* from Brenner's argument.

How?

>Liberals did not abolish slavery because they were so concerned
>with it.

Who said they were?

>  > > As long as you pretend that
>  > >the interlocutors with whom you think you disagree are >non-Marxists,
>
>Which interlocutors? I did not say such a thing.This is your pretension,
>not mine.

You know, amongst Marxists, one wants to have a debate that goes
beyond the ABC (or A) of Marxism.  Otherwise, what's the point?  It
makes sense sometimes to repeat ABC on a _non-Marxist_ list, but here
it really doesn't, does it?  For whose imaginary benefit are you
reciting ABC?  Not to hear yourself talk, I hope?

>  >what would it take to help organize a movement in
>>the USA against free trade _as well as_ protectionism, economic
>  >embargoes, social imperialism, etc.?
>
>There is no dichotomy between free trade and protectionism in the US.
>they are both imperialist. So called free trade liberals, Clinton
>himself, was the one who strengthened the embargo on Cuba, Iraq etc.. It
>the same liberals who shook hands with Croatian fascists in the Yugo case
>Free traders are the same racists as protectionists when it comes to
>preservation of US interests.

I'm afraid you're not interested in the question I asked....Perhaps,
when you become interested in a political question (about
organizing), we might be able to have some useful conversation.

Yoshie