Re: SEXPLOITATION? What is at stake in Cuba?

[Doyle Saylor <djsaylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Greetings Comrades,
    Yoshie replies to specifics I raised.

Yoshie,
Some prostitutes serve the sexual needs of the disabled who have
disposable incomes.

Doyle
If a disabled person has para or quadraplegic disability, cerebral palsy,
assorted other motor difficulties, perhaps a cognition issue, prostitutes
are not prepared to meet those issues.  The institution of prostitution like
many others in current conditions discriminates against disabled people.
Buying sex is no answer for disabled people unless there is some specific
reason to think the provider understands the disability issues involved.
Typically someone who performs paid sex with a disabled person is not a
typical prostitute, and is often the care provider for many other personal
care needs of that disabled person.

Yoshie,
I don't know what to say if you are also against cafeterias.  :)

Doyle
My example Yoshie was about how strange it feels to go to only public
institutions to provide me food, sex, bathrooms, if I had not other choices.
The distinction I would make is the difference between public sphere work
concerning sex and private relationships sex work.  What is the difference
in what kinds of work produce?  We might understand how to unify those
spheres into one someday, but I wouldn't want to rely upon what I receive
now from KFC, and the corner prostitute.  I think I would have to take a
shit in vacant lot since there are no porta toilets for miles around where I
live.

Prostitution implies that all that matters with getting sex is orgasm
ignoring for example that disabled people require substantially different
sexual practices than do able bodied men.  Able bodied men choose young
women over middle aged and old women, how do you understand that issue
involving prostitution?  This isn't to say that able bodied partners will
have similar problems of ignorance with regard to a disabled partner.
Rather that what private relationships offer is social connection beyond the
sex act.  This in turn implies a Marxist understanding of a public life that
is substantially more than what service providers typically produce for
people.

Mine writes,
>Although we both agree on the existence of  sex workers as certain
>classes of women, you imply sex work is beneficial for women, I
>think it is not,
>in the overall analysis. That is the plain difference.

Yoshie,
Working-class women have to engage in some kind of wage labor, so we
need to look at & improve conditions of work, to the extent we can
even under capitalism.  Otherwise, why oppose sweatshops?  Why
support strikes by trade unions?

Doyle,
Or where you, Yoshie write,

Yoshie,
See my last post.  I don't equate the term "sexual work" with wage
labor -- sexual work under capitalism, however, is wage labor or
petty production.  When capitalism gets abolished, sex work, like all
other kinds of work, cease to be alienated labor.

Doyle
What exactly is alienated labor in regard to sex work?  In one remark you
say it is just wage labor and the next you don't equate that.  I think you
could elaborate here with what you mean by the distinction you raise.  I
don't think it is that if I want to offer myself as a male prostitute in
that future that would mean I wasn't alienated from my labor.  I don't think
I have a future as a male prostitute.

Yoshie,
You mean prostitutes don't have families, friends, & other personal
relationships outside work???  If you mean ostracism, that's the
fault of hypocritical society.

Doyle,
I mean that the sex work itself ought to provide what people really need in
regard to sex.  I think sex is a primary way of building relationships
between people.  Where it is just about orgasms, the result is that needs
are not being met by prostitutes in the many areas in which sex serves
purposes besides orgasm.  That is what I mean by wholeness also.  That sex
work is not just about a single product or commodity service, but the nexus
of how a social system works.  Sexual partners work as a continuity that
observes the reality of both people.  Sex work is about connecting people
socially into a system.

A typical puzzle in prostitution is a lesbian prostitute having paid sex
with men?  How often does that person make a living off of paid sex with
women?  If not, what does that tell us?

What is supposed to happen in a Marxist sense then in regard to sex
provision by a Marxist understanding of sexuality?  I would ask that in a
friendly way.  What is a sex positive answer that gives us insight as
Marxists?
thanks,
Doyle Saylor