Re: SEXPLOITATION? What is at stake in Cuba?

[Xxxx Xxxxx Xxxxxx <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:

> Xxxx:
>
> >Although we both agree on the existence of  sex workers as certain
> >classes of women, you imply sex work is beneficial for women, I
> >think it is not,
> >in the overall analysis. That is the plain difference.
>
> >Working-class women have to engage in some kind of wage labor, so we
> >need to look at & improve conditions of work, to the extent we can
> >even under capitalism.  Otherwise, why oppose sweatshops?  Why
> >support strikes by trade unions?
>

Sex workers should be organized to end their own oppression or unionized within
the capitalist state to improve their own conditions, which is what they are
doing  in many parts of the world, actually.


>
> >So, they are not exploited as long as they are satified with
> >whipping men! What a
> >kind of class analysis is that once you strip off the exploitation
> >dimension from
> >the class dimension?
>
> >All forms of wage labor involve exploitation, not just sex work.
>

I did *not* argue that "only sex work involves exploitation".


>
> >So, you are saying all women face physical insecurity, angry lovers
> >and rape in
> >the same degree with others, and that sex workers are no
> >exceptional. This sounds
> >like radical feminism as far as I can tell. This also contradicts
> >your argument
> >when you say "Unlike you, I think that testimonies of sex >workers & ex-sex
> >workers reveal that the working conditions of >prostitutes really depend upon
> >*class* & other determinants.
>
> >Not all women get raped, but statistically chances are that you are
> >more likely to be raped by men in your lives (kins, acquaintances,
> >etc.) than by strangers.  The same goes for assault, homicide, etc.
>

The possiblity of getting raped depens on "class and other determinants" of the
society which women live  in. .

>
> >>again, unsubstantiated sex work idealism and lefty libertarianism,
> >>sorry! If sex
> >>work/industry is a capitalist thing (historically speaking as well), it is
> >>logically incorrect to talk about sex work under socialism.
>
> >Can you make a distinction between sexual service as *work* and
> >sexual service as *wage labor*?

Sexual work is a form of wage labor that involves exploitation.

> Wage labor gets abolished with
> >capitalism, but not all forms of work will cease to exist under
> >socialism.
>

We will have sex under socalism, but it won't be out of economic compulsion.


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Xxxx Xxxxx Xxxxxx
PhD Student
Department of Political Science
SUNY at Albany
Nelson A. Rockefeller College
135 Western Ave.; Milne 102
Albany, NY 12222



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