Re: SEXPLOITATION? What is at stake in Cuba?

[Xxxx Xxxxx Xxxxxx <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:

> >I'm afraid that you're saying that "sex work in itself is bad," since
> >in your mind *all* prostitutes  -- not just those held in bondage,
> >cowed by organized crime, kidnapped by armies of occupation, etc.

NO. You should look at the archives of the list. I said: third world women,
working class women, certain races of women, poor women, etc.. Unlike you, I am
not seperating "exploitation" from class analysis, if that is what you mean
"moralism".. Although we both agree on the existence of  sex workers as certain
classes of women, you imply sex work is beneficial for women, I think it is not,
in the overall analysis. That is the plain difference.

Moreover, I would appreacite if you don't accuse me for the things I did not say
(like morality crap)



> >Unlike you, I think that testimonies of sex
> >workers & ex-sex workers reveal that the working conditions of
> >prostitutes really depend upon *class* & other determinants.  Some
> >women get paid for whipping men, for instance.

So, they are not exploited as long as they are satified with whipping men! What 
a
kind of class analysis is that once you strip off the exploitation dimension 
from
the class dimension?


>
> >In fact, capitalism & imperialism are
> >responsible for making working conditions of many workers -- not >just
> >sex workers -- brutal.

I said the same before.I don't feel the need to reiterate myself. You may wish 
to
see the intro I wrote in "India post" in the archives of the list.


>
> >Sex workers are by no means alone in facing possibilities of physical
> >dangers, humiliations, trauma, etc.  As for rapes, women don't have
> >to become prostitutes to get raped -- most women are raped by men >in
> >their lives, like angry & estranged lovers, husbands, acquaintances,
> >kins.

So, you are saying all women face physical insecurity, angry lovers and rape in
the same degree with others, and that sex workers are no exceptional. This 
sounds
like radical feminism as far as I can tell. This also contradicts your argument
when you say "Unlike you, I think that testimonies of sex >workers & ex-sex
workers reveal that the working conditions of >prostitutes really depend upon
*class* & other determinants.

>
> >In a possible
> >emancipated future under communism, with no exploitation &
> >oppressions based on gender, race, etc., it should be up to people
> >whether or not they would want to make sex work.
>

again, unsubstantiated sex work idealism and lefty libertarianism, sorry! If sex
work/industry is a capitalist thing (historically speaking as well), it is
logically incorrect to talk about sex work under socialism. Your logic is 
faulty.
We are assuming that under socialism meterial conditons that have given rise to
sex work under capitalism will and *must* wither away. You are conflating
socialism with capitalism, as far I can tell.


ps: I am not gonna purse this discussion any longer. I think two of Lou's posts
were clear enough, at least for me. You can contact me privately if you wish. I 
am
seriously busy today, because I have to prepare myself for an occasion, cooking
stuff etc.. so I won't spend my time in front of computer the whole day.

Xxxx


Xxxx

>
> Yoshie

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Xxxx Xxxxx Xxxxxx
PhD Student
Department of Political Science
SUNY at Albany
Nelson A. Rockefeller College
135 Western Ave.; Milne 102
Albany, NY 12222



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