Re: If Mao were alive he'd be spinning in his grave

["ÁÎ×Ó¹â Henry C.K.Liu ¹ù¤l¥ú" <hliu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I missed Nestor's response.  (Have been getting 150 e-mails on different
subjects and cultural contexts daily and hard to keep up.)

It is useful to understand that the unemployed in China caused by privatization
is not just workers, but supervisors and managers and even CPC cadres.  In
China, pritization is not just a struggle between workers and management, as in
the West.  Unlike workers in the West, Chinese worker do not have Third World
workers whom capitalist can threaten them with.  They are at the bottom and
have nothing to lose but their chains.   To them, socialism is decidedly a
better deal.  In China, factor workers are still a minority among the
proletariat, which is defined as the propertyless class which is 90% of the
population.  Two developments will be inevitable if China continues on its
current path: massive social instability and foreign domination.  This
combination brought about the fall of the bourgeois/fascist KMT despite US
support.

We will either regain control of the Party within three years, or the Party
will self-destruct.
Yes, it will be violent and people will die. But the blood is on the hands of
the captialists/imperialists and their running dogs.  The Chinese revolution is
the most protracted in human history and its has just began.  In China, we
think of decades the way the West think of weeks.  The struggle will go on for
another century.  There is no end of history.

It is not optimism, but revolutionary logic that the people will eventually
win.  But in a way, the mean in life is the struggle, not the winning.  Each
victory onl;y move the struggle forward, and each defeat heightens the need for
struggle.  China had faced darker days and the CPC had faced more dismal times.
  Until 1948, no one in the West, or even in the Soviet Block, expected the CPC
to gain control of China, including Stalin.  Do not prejudge China.  It is like
the Yellow River, it goes on and it goes where it wants.

Henry

Gary Maclennan wrote:

> I tend to agree with Nestor's conclusions that the advent of a reserve army
> of the unemployed of such a huge proportion in China would first of all
> constitute an historic defeat for the working class. Can the class come
> back from such a defeat? I think so but not easily.
>
> The TINA argument is interesting to the extent that it resonates with the
> failure of the Communist Parties to break out of their isolation.  Here we
> in the 'West' should acknowledge that our own failures have put enormous
> pressure on revolutionaries in the third world.
>
> Having said that, the conatus to freedom will not die whatever the status
> of the class struggle.  The success of the reformers will be their
> undoing.  It is just tragic that we will have to go through unmitigated
> misery before humanity generally seeks to break through the ideological
> formation of TINA .
>
> regards
>
> Gary
>
> At 23:30 31/08/00 -0300, you wrote:
> >En relaci¨®n a Re: If Mao were alive he'd be spinning in his gra,
> >el 31 Aug 00, a las 14:43, ??¡Á??? Henry C.K.Liu         ?¨´¡èl?¨² dijo:
> >
> >
> > > It is estimated that WTO accession and the accompanying privatization
> > > will bring at least 100 milllion unemployment to China.  That is a
> > > political force that will be heard.  Those of us opposing the shift to
> > > market economy and WTO trade rules for China are repeatedly faced with
> > > a TINA argument intellectually from the reformers.  An angry army of
> > > unemployed will strengthen China's left and provide us with our own
> > > TINA argument.
> >
> >I cannot share Henry's optimism here. Iallow for an immense amount of
> >particularism each time I consider things Chinese (sorry, Henry, mine
> >are Western eyes, maybe Extreme Western eyes, thus "particularism" is
> >Chinese not ours!). But it would be to stretch things too much to
> >imagine that a huge reserve army would have in China the opposite
> >effect than elsewhere, namely boost militancy. It is my impression
> >that this kind of situation blunts combativity of workers. Perhaps
> >Henry has some idea on why this should not be the case in China.
> >
> >
> >
> >N¨¦stor Miguel Gorojovsky
> >gorojovsky@xxxxxxxxxxxx