Re: Clemenceau une autre fois plus (was Re: Deutschland Schon Wieder)

[Xxxx Xxxxx Xxxxxx <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote:

> >En relación a Re: Deutschland Schon Wieder,
> >el 14 Jul 00, a las 21:56, Xxxx Xxxxx Xxxxxx dijo:
>
> >> During the debates about war reperations, I remember Keynes arguing
> >> that the allies, particulary the British, should be less coercive with
> > enforcing payment of reperations on Germany, or change the priority of
> >> payments at least-- an idea, which was actually championed by American
> >> international bankers who were agents for reperation payments created
> >> under the Dawes plan of US.  It seems Keynes' bourgeois anticipation
> >> matched with the German nationalist critique of liberal order at that
> > >time.
>
> >Blaming the German "unfinished bourgeois revolution" for Fascism,
> >useful and right as it is for comrades struggling in Germany, is a
> >partial truth, and provides an alibi for the bourgeoisies of the
> >remaining imperialist countries.

Comrade Nestor, I think there is a misunderstanding here. I was not blaming
the German "unfinished bourgeois revolution" for being responsible for the
rise of fascism. I don't subscribe to Kautskian version of orthodoxy/
mechanistic theory of stages.  My suspicion is that it was not the *lack* of
capitalism, but rather its very existence, even in immature form, that
brought about fascism in  Germany. Fascism is one form of capitalism; not
absence of  capitalism. Therefore, my Keynes example was meant to illustrate
the fact that the imperialist allies, despite the inter-imperialist conflict
between the French and the British at some moments during  negotiations for
war reparations, under the Dawes plan, were indeed aiming  to restructure
German industrial capacity/capitalism, and hence directly/indirectly
enforcing Germany into fascism, despite bourgeois Keynes' warning. From that
time on, Germany was already entering into a capitalist phase of development
with a state monopoly bourgeoisie *benefitting* from massive flows of
capital channeled into German economy.

On the other hand, of course, I can not end up blaming the German
bourgeoisie for what it did, not for it what *failed*, but for what it
*actually* *accomplished*, that is, fascism, which was reinforced by
*international capital*, not always in *conflict*, but also in *allience*
with German capitalism. American Ford had investments in Germany. During the
Nazi regime, his name was being  published on the front page of anti-semite
publications that were deliberately involved in the creation of
international jew conspiracy. Rise of fascism was not a simply a *function*
of Germany's victim position in the international political economy (Germany
was never technically imperialized to begin with). Germany was too aiming to
become another capitalist/imperialist power.


regards,

Mine


>  British, a French, an American
> revolutionary should be more interested in the fact that Keynes
> pointed to: that Hitler was just, as Jorge Abelardo Ramos wrote in
> Argentina once, "the Versailles treaty as seen from the German side".
>
> The responsibility of the "finished bourgeois revolutions" in the
> delivery of that monster of History (a monster who, by the way,
> learnt a lot from the policies followed by those bourgeoisies in the
> colonies and simply applied the recipe to Europe) is overwhelming. It
> is not the best Marxist practice to sweep it under the rug. While
> German and Austrian comrades are in their full right to remind their
> fellow countrymen of the direct responsibilities of their own
> bourgeoisies in the rise of Fascism (a topic with the Frankfurt
> school to which Adorno belonged, on the right wing by the way), it is
> the duty of comrades in countries who ENFORCED GERMANY INTO NAZISM
> AGAINST THE ADVICE OF EVEN THE MOST PERCEPTIVE BOURGEOIS
> INTELLECTUALS SUCH AS KEYNES not to raise _that_ side of the question
> high enough that it dillutes the struggle against the "democratic"
> butchers that rule their own countries.
>
> There is even a matter of morality in all this. We cannot be below
> the standards of a bourgeois such as Keynes.
> Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
> gorojovsky@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Xxxx Xxxxx Xxxxxx
PhD Student
Department of Political Science
SUNY at Albany
Nelson A. Rockefeller College
135 Western Ave.; Milne 102
Albany, NY 12222



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