RE: Fascism and Juan Peron

[Julio Fernández Baraibar <julfb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear José:
I was preparing an answer to Windau's formalist definition of peronism as a
kind of fascim when your answer appeared.

It spares my job.

One of the richest things of this list has been, doubtlessly, the fruitfull
exchange of opinions and experiences. To see a cuban american comrade of
trotskyst tradition explaining Peronism as Nestor or I should have done is
one of the greatest pleasures that Internet can give me.

It is a homage to the intelligence, to the intelectual exchange and to the
weapons of marxism.

A hug

Julio FB




> Your "criteria" forget one "little" thing . . . the difference between
> an imperialist country and a semi colonial country. Moreover, you've
> got all sorts of formal categories but forget all about the
> relationship between classes . . . not the ones that fall into neat
> categories like "comprador bourgeoisie" but the ones that actually
> live, breathe and fight.
>
> For this reason, you now have a definition of fascism so sweeping that
> it encompasses everything from the ultra-right wing, savagely
> imperialist and anti-working-class Hitler regime to Peronism, a
> national movement in a semicolonial country that challenged
> imperialist domination, promoted unionization, relied on the working
> class for support, and gave rise to a real improvement in the standard
> of living of working people, modernization of the country's
> infrastructure and services to the population.
>
> The issue is not whether Perón used "anti-British rhetoric." For that
> matter so did Hitler. What you so blithely dismiss as "rhetoric"
> represented in the case of Peronism an expression of the totally
> legitimate and entirely progressive *national* aspirations of the
> Argentine masses.
>
> Contrast this to Hitler's use of the self-same "anti-British"
> rhetoric, which was simply an expression of the rivalry of the German
> imperialists with their British brothers, was completely reactionary,
> and was aimed precisely against the legitimate national aspirations of
> colonial and semicolonial countries like Argentina.
>
> It makes absolutely no sense to draft abstract, ahistorical criteria
> to try to "demonstrate"  that Peronism=fascism. The real root of that
> equation is NOT in any real similarity, but rather in the need of the
> imperialists to discredit a regime that challenged it.
>
> José
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Windau" <gwindau@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <marxism-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:47 AM
> Subject: Fascism and Juan Peron
>
>
> Comrade Julio: The points I was trying to make with my posts were
>
> <snip>
>
>