L-I: RE: The Nazi War on Cancer & Goring on Animal Experiments

["Craven, Jim" <jcraven@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Rsponse:

Some people are having problems with elementary logic:
The previous references to Hitler's vegetarianism along with references to
Hitler's crying over the death of animals while exressing glee over films of
murdered people (e.g. films of the deaths involved in the anti-Hitler plot
of July 1944), was never to suggest that "vegetarianism or Greenness" =
fascism or that vegetarian/Greens are Hitlerites; this is another
strawperson or caricature of what was said and meant. It is meant only to
show that the special-interest myopia and narrow-niche reductionism can
easily lead to concern for non-human species and their survival while paying
no attention to--or even facilitating--the extinction of groups within the
human family--naked disconnect and hypocrisy flowing from the
special-interest reductionism. Further, when some of those "Green groups"
such as the Watson types ally themselves with known fascists, under the
familiar banner of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend or at least tactical
ally", can be truly and sincerely "Green" and wind up actually supporting
forces destroying "Greenness" (what happened to the environment and many
non-human species under Hitler?) in addition to being racist, anti-Semitic
and fascist who destroy certain humans as well. It is also meant to show
that being a self-professed animal lover, "environmentalist", anti-smoking
or vegetarian--as was Hitler--does not automatically translate into that
person being a "progressive" or advocate of "progressive" causes.

That is all that was ever said or meant. The substance of what was said not
strawperson caricatures of the positions and logic please.

Jim Craven




-----Original Message-----
From: lsafi@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:lsafi@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:45 AM
To: marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: The Nazi War on Cancer & Goring on Animal Experiments


Yoshie, I haven't rushed out yet to buy this interesting $30 book.
You seem to be in agreement with Dr.  Miccozi's summation of wisdom he
gleemed from reading it......<that fascsm temporarily triumphed in the
first place> and that there is some sort of continuity between Hitler's
fascism, and progressive movements that try to discourage smoking by
trying to get government to pass legislation against the tobacco
industry.

Is this a new branch of the thread that tries to link Nazism and
Hitler's vegetarianism with ecology groups and anti-whaling campagns?
 I agree with Hitler that tobacco is a "hazard to the race".       The
man was clearly ahead of his time.        Go ahead, call me a fascist
now.      Call me a "smoke Nazi".

L. Safi



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