Re: Koestler's Demons

["Charles Brown" <CharlesB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It seems a dangerous idea to equate Clinton/Lewinsky's sex with rape. Lewinsky 
didn't
accuse him of rape. As far as I know , she did and does not consider it rape. 
Ergo, it
was not rape.

I don't know much about the Koestler saga, but if he is/was guilty of what he is
accused of, then he and Cleaver didn't have sex. Rape is not sex. It is violence
against the victim, usually a woman.

Equating sex and rape is like equating sleep and coma, radically different 
things with
a superficial similarity.

CB

>>> Michael Pugliese <debsian@xxxxxxxxxxx> 02/04/00 11:13AM >>>
Oy vey, Jose Perez!
Michael Yates, way to go!
Here's another silly syllogism (to go with the 'jism-sorry for the bad pun!)
Koestler=Eldridge Cleaver=Clinton.
If rape is committed by counter-revolutionaries
(like Koestler), revolutionary thugs like Cleaver, and "white trash" like
Clinton raised to the most powerful post in the world, as well as zillions
of other men less notable esp. during wartime, it wouldn't seem to me to be
anything less or more than what feminists say it is.
   And as for Ken Starr et. al. of course the case was bogus- doesn't make
make what Clinton did right though.Clinton shoulda been impeached for
bombing Iraq, Sudan, NATO bombings of Serbian civilians. Articles of
impeachment for Nixon included his "secret" bombing of Cambodia.
                                           Michael Pugliese