Re: Reply to: Re: Turkish Hunger Strike

[malecki@xxxxxxxxxx (Robert Malecki)]

Zeynep writes;

>Look Robert, the government will either "rehabilitate" these prisoners, or
>kill them. Do you have any information about the phychological and physical
>torture methods used in the Turkish prisons? Learn, if you don't. These
>people have drawn the line. They will rather die fighting, then let the
>state kill their mind, or if not successful, their bodies. They are not
>comitting suicide, they are resisting with the only weapon they have left -
>their lives, their bodies.

No, i do not have the specifics on Turkish torture. But i doubt that it
differs much from prisons in Peru,Sri Lanka, Burma, or in fact some of the
prisons in the United States. And in fact their bodies being the only thing
that they have left should not be starved to death in my opinion.
>
>Also, the slogan is not drowning the facists in our blood. The translation
>of the slogan is:
>
>"We will drown Fascism will in the blood it sheds".
>
>Where the hell does it say we are going to kill ourselves and drown them in
>that blood?

Sorry, but the above translation still reads "drown Fascism" in the blood
"it" sheds.And still sounds very much like trying to drown fascism with the
victims of the fascists,

>You prefer to drown them in their own blood. Fine. Hop on a plane here and I
>swear I'll make sure we' arrange appropriate logistics enabling you to just
>that. We'll pay for the plane ticket, if that's the problem. I'm damn
>serious. Either take up this offer or shut the fuck up as I find myself
>compelled to read everything with the subject line of a hunger-strike.

Look Zeynep, if my views on this subject offend you then don,t reply! I will
not be intimidated with your plane ticket and shut the fuck up crap. I know
quite well what prisons do to people and i know quite well how leftists have
acted in prison.(see my reply to Hugh) So you either say that the present
line with the blood and "rights and better conditions" for political
prisoners and starving to death is a way forward and my line of using
prisons to educate people to a higher level of class struggle or going
highly to the wall singing the International if neccessary is a better way
forward.

You know that i defend these comrades. So what is going on here is a
discussion on tactics. This is important despite all the emotional and
romantic illusions at present on this list about this stuff. I really don,t
think the left attempts to become martyrs is a correct way forward. I will
defend them in any way possible against the Turkish bougeoisie and half
military police state. But do not expect me to get down on my knees and
praise a line and tactic which i think is both wrong and suicidal.

So if you think i am wrong then give me a political arguement for this. Not
a bunch of emotional crap about our poor comrades in jail stuff. I have been
in those jails and seen and felt and know exactly what it is like.

How about daily killings, snitches, rape, isolation in dark cells naked and
a whole in the floor to piss in, infecting prisoners with aids, brutal cops
who torture people, desperate rebellions, constant transfers, mock
executions, agging psykos to kill politicos, incredible cowardness,
incredibly brave people, people completely broken,
slave labor, bad food, cleaning shit with tooth brushes. Planting drugs in
you cell. Not allowing visitors. Making you lie down in piss and shit.
Beatings that leave no marks. Burning people with cigarettes. You want some
more. So don,t fucking tell me to shut up. I have been there!

How dare you with your romantic and emotional crap try to bait me with plane
tickets and seeing how it really is! As if it is the Turkish leftists who
are the only ones who have ever been inside. i was experiencing these things
before some of your heros were even born! So stop the crap Zeynep. It is
both insulting and moralist to the core.

malecki






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