Re: Spamming Violation by Algonet Client (fwd)

[malecki@xxxxxxxxxx (Robert Malecki)]

Sending a copy of a translation of a letter i just recieved and a copy of my=
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reply to uo for you information..

>Folk klagar p=E5 saker du postar i alt.war.vietnam. Vad har du att s=E4ga
>om det?

Translation; People are complaining about the things you are posting to=20
Alt.war Vietnam. What do you have to say?
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>  /Ragnar, Algonet

Hi Ragnar,

Naturally, there are quite a lot of hateful Vietnam Veterans on just the=20
list called "Alt.War Vietnam". And I whom is living in Sweden, in exile,=20
because of just this war is certainly not a secret, i even have written a=20
book on my experiences. It is just that that my friends on Alt.War Vietnam=
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are calling spam. Obviously it is quite alright for these people to call me=
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"pig", "traitor" and a lot of other things. Hoever i try to avoid answering=
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this type of discussion.

If you look at the "example" which they themselves have sent in below can=20
you see that it is not "spam" but a part of the history of the Vietnamese=20
Communist Party and their history. This is part of a series which takes up=
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this part of Vietnam history.
The fact is, as i see it, is that this list is for writting about Vietnam.=
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It is hardly spam. If you look at the list Alt.War Vietnam you can clearly=
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see a concentrated hate campaign against myself, but not because of=20
"spamming" but that i exist at all!

I see a clear tendency, and not in the least from those that hate everything=
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about Vietnam and the rightwing orientated patriots which will do anything=
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in order to get those removed from the list that do not agree with their=20
views on the Vietnam war. As a veteran who has been living in exile the last=
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24 years because of my opposition to this war, i will never accept that i=20
can,t present my views about Vietnam on a list of this type.

Naturally, i am sending your letter and my reply to the list and also the=20
other Vietnam list immediately! I will never accept censoring and lies about=
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spam as a method to quiet critical voices about America and its colonial war=
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against the Vietnamese people.

With Warm Regards,
Robert Malecki

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>Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:50:47 GMT
>To: postmaster@xxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Spamming Violation by Algonet Client
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>Your client, Robert Malecki, continues to spam the newsgroup
>alt.war.vietnam with off topic, delusional and undesired postings. An
>example is posted below and is the 3rd in a series. He has been asked
>to stop by numerous members of the group but to no avail. This
>disruptive attitude is contrary to good net practice. Please advise
>what policy Algonet has in regards to such actions by your clients.
>
>Regards,
>
>Wil
>
>
>
>On Sun, 14 Jul 1996 17:17:40 GMT, you wrote:
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>>THE POPULAR FRONT
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>>With theformation of the Radical-Socialist-Communist popular front in
>>1935, the Stalinists made a sharp turn to the right, forming their own
>>Indochinese popular front. They allied themselves not only with the
>>Vietnamese section of the SFIO (Socialists), but with bourgeois
>>nationalists such as Nguyen Pham Long and Bui Quang Chien, whom the
>>joint Stalinists-Trotsktist La Lutte had bitterly denounced a few
>>years earlier. Not content to form an alliance with the "progressive"
>>comprador bourgeoisie, the ICP went even futher and according to the
>>Stalinist historian Le Thanh Khoi, "broadened" the popular front to
>>include the monarchist parties!
>
>>Under Stalinist editorship, La Lutte greeted the appointment of the
>>soialist Maurius Moutet as Colonial Minister of the popular front Blum
>>government. A few short weeks after this welcome, Moutet telegraphed
>>officials in Saigon (September 1936): "You will maintain public order
>>by all legitimate and legal means, even by the prosecution of those
>>who attempt to make trouble if this should prove necessary... French
>>order must reign in Indochina as elsewhere." The Stalinist members of
>>the Saigon city council went so far as to actually vote for military
>>special taxes for "French national defense"! Clearly, such taxes could
>>be used directly against the Vietnamese peasants and workers, as
>>indeed they were soon afterwards.
>
>>As the French historian Devillers put it. " in these conditions the
>>break with the Trotskyists becamr inevidable."By allowing Tran Van
>>giau and the Stalimists control of the paper, the Ta Thu Thau group
>>was able to continue the united front though the April 1937 elections,
>>in which one Trotskyist (Thau) and two Stalinists (Nguyen Van Tao
>>andDuong Bach Mai) were elected to Saigon city council on the joint
>>ticket.
>
>>But in June 1937, the Trotskyists around Thau took editorial control
>>of La Lutte, which assumed a distinctly different posture, formenting
>>strikes and mass protests, along with Le Militant, the legal paper of
>>the Ho Huu Thuong group.
>
>>Thau launched the new line with an editorial entitled " The Popular
>>Front of Treason." which got him two years in jail as a reward from
>>the authorities.
>
>>During this time the Stalinists were concentrating their efforts on
>>building an alliance with the bougeois constitutionalists, the
>>"Indochinese Congress". Breaking out of the limited electoral
>>campaigns (the eligible voters included only about 40,000 or roughly
>>1% of the adult population), the Trotskyists, in contrast, utilized
>>the limited freedoms introduced by the Blum government to push mass
>>agitation in strike movements, campaigns against repression and in
>>favor of the right to unionisation, the bete noir of the colonialists.
>>The Trotskyists also set up "action committees" of labor and peasant
>>organisations, as did the stalinists. Due to their success, especially
>>in the Saigon area, these committees were rapidly banned and brutally
>>repressed by the French governor. In the rural areas, La Lutte
>>initiated agitation around the demand of "Land to the Poor Peasants,"
>>a clear program as opposed to the "broad national union" being pushed
>>by the Stalinists.
>
>>In 1939 elections to the Colonial Council of Cochin China, the La
>>Lutte group capitalized on this agitational work and managed to win a
>>resounding victory, with more than 80% of the votes going to their
>>candidates. The masses, faced with the choice between support for
>>French colonialism by the Stalinists and a credible Trotskyist
>>opposition fighting on a working-class program, overwhelmingly chose
>>the latter. In consequence, shortly thereafter, the Indochinese
>>Communit Party in Cochin China (southern Vietnam) split, the official
>>party being headed by Duong Bach Mai and the dissidents regrouping
>>around Nguyen Van Tao.
>
>>The polemics between the two competing groups supporting the Fourth
>>International became increasingly sharp during this period. The Ta Thu
>>Thau group, the official section of the FI, accused the Ho Huu Thuong
>>group of "inventing" its opposition to the united front with the
>>Stalinists years after it was formed, which is almost certainlt not
>>true. However, Thau also condemned them for advocating a joint La
>>Lutte and Stalinist ticket in the 1939 elections. At a time when the
>>ICP was openly backing French imperialism and participating in a
>>popular front (the Indochinese Congress), support for their ticket,
>>however critical, was certainly a serious error. These were the same
>>"communists" who were voting for "defense taxes" in the Saigon
>>municipal council while the government was using the money to ship in
>>tanks for use against Vietnamese workers and peasants.
>
>>On the other hand, while the Thang Muoi group did not score the
>>electoral successes of La Lutte, it did manage to bring out its
>>newspaper for some years in Vietnamese before the latter attempted
>>this step and managed to put out a daily newspaper (Tia sang, or
>>Spark) during 1939.
>
>>While both groups made important errors during this period, and La
>>Lutte appears to have had overall moderate approach of a centrist
>>character, both vigorously opposed French colonialism and stood
>>sharply contrasted to the Stalinists during this crucial period. Their
>>attraction of a mass base is a tribute to the Trotskyist politics of
>>permanent revolution, even in a muted form.
>
>>However, the bourgeoisie regained the upper hand from October 1939 to
>>January 1940 managed to wipe out the entire legal organisations of
>>both the Communist Party and the Trotskyists. The ICP survived this
>>repression better than did the Trotskyist groups, partly because the
>>latter were more of an immediate threat to the French in the south,
>>partly because the CP cadre were able to retreat to China where (after
>>a period in Kuomintang jails) they eventually recieved Chinese and
>>U.S. aid and partly because the Stalinists had begun retreating to
>>clandestinity as early as 1938.
>
>>END OF PART 3... TO BE CONTINUED..
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