Re: state capitalist debate

[malecki@xxxxxxxxxx (Robert Malecki)]

Neil writes;
>
>Karl C.  says "the elimination of private property form and the
>retention of the the form of capitalist property is impossible....."
>
>Karl is confusing  form with essence. The continued promotion of
>wage labor and hence capitalism  is the quintessence of all
>capitalist social relations!
>
>Mere nationalisations of means of production are not incompatible
>with capitalism was seen by socialists from Engels to Bebel  to
>Bukharin up to present day marxists.
>
>Engels states ;
>"the transformation into joint-stock companies , or into state ownership
>does not do away with the capitalist nature of the productive forces...The
>modern state, no matter what its form , is essentially a capitalist machine
>the ideal personification of the total national capital ..The workers remain
>wage laboreers, proletarians . The capitalist relation is not done away with."
>Anti-Duhring, Pg329
>
>Engels also stresses this key point  in "Socialism -Utopian & Scientific,
Pg39-40
>International Publ, 1935 ed.
>
>There is still much confusion amongst marxists (vs. social democrats
> & other capitalist refromers) over this issue . This needs to be
>clarified  that nationalisation does not equal socialization -esp.
>as carried out by proletarian rev. movements and organizations
>in mass struggle.
>
>Neil

It appears that Neil is correct for a change. Only by expropriating the
expropriators through the dictatorship of the proletariat can create the
transitional state on the way to communism..However this does not mean that
we can,t give critical support to the nationalisation of certain sectors by
reformists or be against privatisation of the state sector in these times of
downsizing and restructuring of the economies.

malecki




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