Reply to Zeynep

[malecki@xxxxxxxxxx (Robert Malecki)]

>Malecki:
>
>I don't care what whether you think that if I have a tendency for:
>
>>partically mindless activism, partially a family of revolutionaries,
>>partially a poor little Turkey third world mentality, partially anti
>>Leninists and finally a blend of various reformist and stalinist ideas under
>>the guise of being something new..
>
>That's your opinion and I will assume this to be a comradely criticism. Agree?

Yes i agree..
>
>I also don't mind:
>
>>The above i find very superfiscal and impressionistic.
>
>Fine, I ask the list what they think since I don't live in those countries,
>so I'm trying to understand what's going on and what it means for the
>international struggle.

I hope you are right on the above. However i did not get that idea when
reading your posts. I thought there was a general tendency to say "poor
little Turkey" in relationsghip to the G7 countries..However i am prepared
to accept the above for the time being..
>
>BUT: You have no right under the sun to judge me in the following manner.
>
>>PS: This means also a class line and not a sex line...

This was not a "judgement". It was a statement..
>
>>And the real people suffering in Turkey above the workingclass are the
>>national minorities (the Kurds) and women who are doubly oppressed because
>>of there situation. Turkey is hardly a third world country! It is a country
>>with a very power army and has its own imperialist pretentions and interests
>>in that part of the world..In fact plays a very important role along with
>>Greece and the Serbs.. So come off it with this poor little third world shit
>>will you...
>
>While you are right that the government of Turkey aspires to play a
>sub-imperialist role and it has its own imperialist pretentions, I do not
>take kindly to anyone grouping me with the Turkish government, the Army, the
>ruling class in any which way, under any condition, in any sense, implied or
>explicit, in any manner...

What i was implying was that Turkey just as Sweden is as imperialist as the
G7 countries. The main enemy is at home. And this sub-imperialist stuff
leaves the door wide open for all kinds of opportunist behavior like the
maoists and there progressive third world countries and democratic
revolutions etc. against the "real" imperialists..
>
>Take the time to read my posts, and you will see my position about the
>Kurdish movement. I have also explicitly claimed that our ruling class and
>the is integrated into imperialism so that a question of any "national
>liberation", any "anti-imperialist" breakaway that is not "anti-capitalist"
>is not on the agenda.

Fine..
>
>Look, this is "cyberspace" so there is no way to prove what we do in the
>real life really. I wouldn't have bothered to reply if it weren't this
>decision I had made, to try answer any questions directed at me in the list.
>You may think whatever of my politics, but if ever, you are going to decide
>that I am siding with the Turkish government in any sense, (or pass a
>similar judgement for any other person) I seriously demand that you try
>substantiate that claim, based upon real life events. It is easy to sit in
>one's room and imply collobration, which you are implying. This is one
>"insult" that an honest revolutionary should think real hard before saying
>it, because, as far as I'm concerned, when and if I make this claim against
>anyone, it is the last word I'll say. Then, we fight as class enemies. Ok?

I have not gone out on this list and called you and "agent" of something or
another like others on this list. In fact i wrote what i thought was a
tendency in your thinking on the latest letters coming in from Turkey. Now
did I? Or are you looking for some excuse here? And never mind about class
enemies, because what we are talking about on this list is political
enemies. In fact the logic of some of the politics on this list puts people
on the same side as our our class enemies. Not my statements of the above.
That is what is decisive.

Aldolfos "national democratic" revolution. Rolfs alliance with the swedish
and German Bourgeoisie on the atomic power question. Godena acting like a
knight in shiny armor and supporting  Aldolfos politics, our support of the
anti-facist front in Russia (in fact a popular front) will make us class
enemies.. Because you are prepared to cross the class line and liquidate
workingclass independence from all wings of the bourgeoisie....

>If you want your words to have any weight, be careful with how you use them.

In a certain sense this is true! However i think that you and i do not see
the same context of the above..

Warm Regards
malecki in exile




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