Re: State capitalism (fwd)

[malecki@xxxxxxxxxx (Robert Malecki)]

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>Date: 19 Jun 96 02:29:51 EDT
>From: neil <74742.1651@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>Subject: State capitalism
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>Re:    state capitalism vs. workers rule
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>Dear friends,
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>Sorry some of my recent  messages had word  wrap probs. and yes I do have the
>Windows 3.1 system.
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>As to the politcial  debate.  Sorry Proyect  wishes to cry in his beer over my
>admittedly sometimes   coarse  polemical style. But if he stops to look at the
>polemics debates of other marxists in many and varied  periods , he would
see that
>many tend to  use a practically no holds barred approach to this as  day to
day
>and even in the end, these  issues debated  become life and death questions
>for the mass movements of the working people against the capitalist   wage
>slave system..
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>Adam (SWP-UK) is I think nitpicking a bit snarling about my mocking
>ridicule of the "degenerated workers state" formula. Yes, Adam, the russian
>workers state was degenerating in the main from the high price and
>sacrifice to win the civil war 1918-20 AND the crushing of the post
>WW1 workers/soldiers revolutionary wave by bourgeois reaction that
>swept both W. and  E. europe in the aftermath 1918-21.
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>Still, as even Lenin and most the bolshevik leadership agreed, Russia
>was at that time (circa 1921) a state capitalist/priv. capitalist  enonomy
> with bolshevik party/state control.Lenin's own works can clarify some of
>the mystifications that still get bandied about about Russia being
> socialist , or achieving socialism via party control alone. Lenin
>and the Bolshevik majority felt state capitalism was a stage they
>must traverse  to get to socialism peculiar to Russian conditions.
>I think the problem is that many marxists worldwide have turned
>this view into mummified dogma applicable to all countries,
>no matter what the stage of economic/cultural developement existing.

OK Neil, Even if you want to use this terminology,the point is; Do you
defend these "transitional" states against imperialism or not despite the
leadership?

malecki in exile


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>I don't expect forces on the list to just take my word for it.
>So I refer you to the following parts of Lenin's collected works (LCW)
>in which he deals with the vexed problems and contradictions the
>Bolsheviks faced at that time , dealing with a new state  power
>trying to hold the fort and an admitted administration of a
>capitalist economic base.
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>LCWs -before civil war
>Vol 27  Pg 248-9 (Immediate Tasks of Soviet Govt)
>Vol 27  Pg 311 (Debate on Report of Immediate Tasks)
>Vol 27, Pg 336 (Left-wing childishness)
>  "     Pg 345-6
>Vol 27, pg 255 (Struggle for country wide accounting and control)
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>LCWs -War communism
>Vol 29  Pg 113-4 (Program of RCP (B).
>Vol 30  Pg 108-10 (Econ. & Pol Of the DOP)
>Vol 29  Pg 421    (Great Beginning)
>Vol 30  Pg 286-7  (Report on Subotniks)
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>LCWs --War Communism to NEP 1921-3
>Vol 32  Pg 296-7  (Report on Tax in Kind)
>Vol 33  Pg 58     (4th Anniv. Bol Rev)
>Vol 33  Pg 88     (7th Moscow Gubernia Conf.)
>Vol 33  Pg 96-7       "       "
>Vol 33  Pg 116    (Importance of Gold Now)
>Vol 33  Pg 184-6  (Role and Functions of the Trade Unions)
>Vol 33  Pg 407    (interview with Arthur Ransome)
>Vol 33  Pg 278    (11th Cong. of RCP (B)  1922)
>Vol 33  Pg 473-4  (On Co-operation) 1923)
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>This period is important as it seems that  many of the old communist
> movements achilles heels evolve from this period of struggle.
>But I think this must of course be brought up to date
>Source/ Debate in 'Communist Voice" Vol 2 # 3  6/1/96 Det. MI>
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>It is encouraging/necessary  when a number of forces on this list wish
>to engage in serious debate on this mother of all socialist controversies.
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>The REVOLUTIONARY PERSPECTIVES (old SERIES) from the left-communist
>Communist Workers Organization, Box 338, Sheffield S3 9yx, UK ,is
>quite sharp on this contrversy.
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>Walter Daum's  marerick LRP trotskyists have also done their homework.
>See his book "THe Life and Death of Stalinism"
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>Neil
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