Re: Anglo-Saxon Labour Party trend and Discontent with Unions

[Zeynep Tufekcioglu <zeynept@xxxxxxxx>]

Adam:

Thanks for the evaluation.

>What's a "historical contingency" ?

Why did I use that term? Not really correct in this case.

Often one looks and sees some events occurring simultaneously and groups
them while they are not based upon the same dynamic. Especially difficult to
judge other countries. So, can they be categorised as different facets of
working class discontent in this particular era of capitalism feeding on
similar dynamics, or not, was the question.

>The working class in France recently also provided an answer - in some
>areas, rank + file "coordinations" were formed, which brought together workers
>from different industries to coordinate the action.

I had the chance to talk with some strikers from the France, especially in
the railroad industry. So, I know about those. We talked last month, and
they were worrying about how these "coordinations" were dying out. Any news
or assesment of where they might go from here? And the left's interaction
with them?

Malecki:

I don't care what whether you think that if I have a tendency for:

>partically mindless activism, partially a family of revolutionaries,
>partially a poor little Turkey third world mentality, partially anti
>Leninists and finally a blend of various reformist and stalinist ideas under
>the guise of being something new..

That's your opinion and I will assume this to be a comradely criticism. Agree?

I also don't mind:

>The above i find very superfiscal and impressionistic.

Fine, I ask the list what they think since I don't live in those countries,
so I'm trying to understand what's going on and what it means for the
international struggle.

BUT: You have no right under the sun to judge me in the following manner.

>PS: This means also a class line and not a sex line...

>And the real people suffering in Turkey above the workingclass are the
>national minorities (the Kurds) and women who are doubly oppressed because
>of there situation. Turkey is hardly a third world country! It is a country
>with a very power army and has its own imperialist pretentions and interests
>in that part of the world..In fact plays a very important role along with
>Greece and the Serbs.. So come off it with this poor little third world shit
>will you...

While you are right that the government of Turkey aspires to play a
sub-imperialist role and it has its own imperialist pretentions, I do not
take kindly to anyone grouping me with the Turkish government, the Army, the
ruling class in any which way, under any condition, in any sense, implied or
explicit, in any manner...

Take the time to read my posts, and you will see my position about the
Kurdish movement. I have also explicitly claimed that our ruling class and
the is integrated into imperialism so that a question of any "national
liberation", any "anti-imperialist" breakaway that is not "anti-capitalist"
is not on the agenda.

Look, this is "cyberspace" so there is no way to prove what we do in the
real life really. I wouldn't have bothered to reply if it weren't this
decision I had made, to try answer any questions directed at me in the list.
You may think whatever of my politics, but if ever, you are going to decide
that I am siding with the Turkish government in any sense, (or pass a
similar judgement for any other person) I seriously demand that you try
substantiate that claim, based upon real life events. It is easy to sit in
one's room and imply collobration, which you are implying. This is one
"insult" that an honest revolutionary should think real hard before saying
it, because, as far as I'm concerned, when and if I make this claim against
anyone, it is the last word I'll say. Then, we fight as class enemies. Ok?

If you want your words to have any weight, be careful with how you use them.

Zeynep








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