Marxism vs. Malecki's degenerated state caps

[neil <74742.1651@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear robert,

Once again we get just more bullshittivism from you.

In plain ABC language again please define and explain the ECONOMIC BASE
and class ralitions of your precious stalinist "workers states"
No more political dodge ball, as you are not fooling too many forces on
this list lately.

We who have studied and some who have also experienced
the state capitalist regimes have been more open honest and have put
our marxist cards on the table. Ante up or cash in your
stalinapologetic chips.

 Your Puerile and evasive replies like "tansitional state" , deformed
workers state,degenerated workers state are references to a
political superstructure- not very scientific ones either.
Robert!---IT's THE ECONOMY STUPID!

Your analysis is just metaphysics and idealism! Not marxism.
What do get from you? 75 years of frozen state "Bonapartism"
This is also quite disingenuous. How can any state stand above
classes? You never answer because you and the trotsky orthodoxos
have no logical or materialist answer. You would have to question
your lord and savior trotsky and to you would mean heresy .You
should clean out you rubber pants and take up the samurai code!
Even that would be more honorable than peddling that stalinapologetics
that you put forward for state caps in power.

But though trotsky did some great things as a staff planner during
the russian revolution and the bloody civil war , he made a lot of
mistakes as most all mortals do. But you and YOUR epigones just want
 to put up this totally doltish view and defend stalinists and their "
workers states". OK , where in these states do the mass revolutionary
institutions plan and coordinate the running of the economic or political
life of these  state cap regimes you hanker to support --and i can
presume build?!?!
YOU are the one who squeals for marxists, workers and others to
support eastern imperialism over western imperialism. Just look
at the way the ex-USSR looted No. China after WW2. Look at the
way the Stalins ripped the guts out of the E. Europeann economies-
it made liitle differnce in the end to them whether these E. European
countries baked fascism during WW2 or not. They were all looted
economically and politically with trade and joint-stock investment deals
that would make the plunderers of US imperilaism green with envy!

You are an apologist for Russian bayonets. You nail US imperialist
bayonets but do you suck up to Russian ones. Well , maybe with your
logic , if the US would nationalize a bit of industry here and there
it could be deemed by you as some kind of degenerated workers state
too and then you might be able to support it too . Oh I forgot one thing
yours is always "military but NO politcal support' One of the most
doltish and anti leninist slogans one could fathom. Malecki, have
you ever read Lenin on fighting imperialism and imperialist wars?
Read the chapters in LCW where he deals with cover-ups , apologetic
views like yours when give the examples of  of the clarity of
the prussian militarist  planner von Clausewitz compared to "socialist'
 and reactionary  apologists for imperialist war in Lenin's time. Even
though the world has changed much since then , much of this is still
relvant to showing the absurdity of your dogmas.

So no one here can stop you from tooting your  own  horn & supporting
state cap tyranny over workers. But few will  take you seriously.
Your "tank socialism", really state cap rule is turning millions
of workers off. If you don't believe me, get off your computer for
a few hours, go down to a factory complex and just try promoting your
 crap to the workers. You  would be doing the bourgeoisie a  favor
every time you do.

NC




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