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Re: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: Labour,SLP -
Louis writes:
> On Thu, 30 May 1996, Adam Rose wrote:
>
> >
> > The task facing Revolutionaries today is to build relatively small groups of
> > socialists. Such groups are bound together by a shared set of politics.
> > They have, not only to act together, but attract people to a view of the
> > world
> > as it as and how to change it.
> >
>
> Louis: This is your notion of the task. Mine is more similar to Lenin's
> who sought to build a socialist party simply on the basis of adherence to
> Marxism.
>
I just think that the basic idea of Marxism, the self emancipation of the
working class, is eventually incompatible with a "workers state" analysis.
I say this because states like the GDR were created by the Red Army, Mao's
China by intellectuals leading a peasant army. In neither case were these
"workers states" created by the working class.
I think this theoretical mistake led to the practical problems experienced
by the various bits of the 4th international. Accomodating in various ways
to some section of some Stalinist regime abroad and accomodating to some
reformist or other at home [ usually with a little third worldism thrown in ]
were two sides of the same coin - a move away from the centrality of the working
class. The tactical and organisation problems of these revolutionary
organisations flowed from their underlying political misorientation.
On this, the centrality of the working class, I am an incurable dogmatist.
Comradely,
Adam.
Adam Rose
SWP
Manchester
UK
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- Thread context:
- Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: Labour,SLP -,
Jon Flanders Thu 30 May 1996, 13:22 GMT
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: Labour,SLP -,
Louis N Proyect Thu 30 May 1996, 14:26 GMT
- Re: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: Labour,SLP -,
Adam Rose Thu 30 May 1996, 16:55 GMT
- Re: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: Labour,SLP -,
Louis N Proyect Thu 30 May 1996, 17:39 GMT
- Re: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: Labour,SLP -,
Adam Rose Fri 31 May 1996, 09:40 GMT
- Detroit Red Wings go splat,
zodiac Thu 30 May 1996, 13:16 GMT
- Re: undecipherable posts,
Louis N Proyect Thu 30 May 1996, 12:52 GMT
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