Re: marxism2 list

[malecki@xxxxxxxxxx (Robert Malecki)]

Jorn Writes
>Stop this crude workerism, Robert. I'm just as much
>a worker as you are - there's a lot of us on M1 as
>well as on M2.

Yeah right! Stop being what i am.

>I don't think Lisa "acted like cops" - more like a chair of
>a meeting (whose decissions of course you can agree with or
>disagree, but that demands that you accept the purpose of the
>metting - and as I remember you were against the M2-project
>from the outset, weren't you?)

The purpose of setting up M2 was only after Lisa and the ivory tower tried
to get the Maoists banned from the list. Yes, i said i oppose the ivory
towers attempts to gag the debate and i opposed the new group because it was
obviously a bureaucratic attempt to do exactly that. Stop a tendency in the
workers movement from presenting its ideas. However i never oppose any
"marxist" from building moderated groups. You and i know well i voted for
the new list recently. I sent a copy of my vote to the list in fact.
>
>I think the creation of two lists with a different "culture"
>was a good result from a *boring* debate. It was stated clearly
>from the start that M2 would be moderated with Lisa as "chair".

I think that your are trying to sit on two stools and are ignoring that Lisa
and the ivory tower were acting like Stalinists thugs in Cyberspace and
cops..I stand for that and there is nobody that will ever get me to change
reality as i saw it. Go read the back digest. There were only two people who
saw what was going on. Dondoo and i and we did everything we could to
prevent this.
>
>I haven't been on the list much longer than you , but one thing
>I've learned is that if you want to get something from it, some
>sort of accommodation to the "culture" on the different lists
>is necessary. This of course doesn't include *political*
>accomodation.

That is bullshit. It was a political gag party from the very beginning.
First Aldolfo and the Red Flag people and later on me. And with me you
little coward you did not even inform me i was dumped. You just stood by and
let it quitely take place. You are a coward, a politcal coward.

>
>Don't tell me that. And don't tell me that workers don't
>know that there has to be some rules of how to fight
>and debate. If I didn't know better, I would have
>doubted that you'd ever been to a trade union meeting,
>a meeting of strikers or whatever.

Year, i am not against rules. I am against stacking the deck. What the ivory
tower did was try and make new rules and when that didn,t work they went an
made the new list. And that started forcing people to act as the ivory tower
thinks a debate should take place. That is the real truth.
>
>The problem with cyberspace is that you have no physical
>power to put behind your actions - so just take it as a
>change to debate experiences from real life and stop
>wasting your time on focusing on form. If you want to
>get into real debate and *learn*, try to accept.

The problem with cyberspace is that there are not enough workers and poor
people out here. That is the real problem. No, according to you real life
should not be dicussed here. Andersen your are a real nut. What do you think
is going on if not real life. You are acting like a schizofrnic. Trying to
be a nice guy for cyber culture or something. i am trying to defend both my
life and my interests in a room full of people claiming they are marxists
and want to lead the working class to power. I think that you bend like the
wind to cyber culture so prevailing so called marxists can do there thing.
But workers will debate. And M2,s move can not stop that.

>
>In closing, Malecki: Some of your postings on the list
>have been like a fresh air from real life - but others
>have been egocentric and filled with disregard for other
>socialists and Marxists. So stop this "poor little
>worker"-stuff and get along with what these lists
>are good for: Reflection and debate about actions in
>the real world.

Yes, perhaps i should stop being what i am  just say yes i agree. Just sort
of fit in so everybody can be cozy. How dare you. People, millions of people
lives are on the fucking line and you are going to give lectures about not
being and cyberspace culture. I am not here to play fucking games with anybody.

And i have not had the privilege of living in a Scandinavian country during
this last post war boom where everybody is just feeling great and get it
served to them from cradle to grave. Nor am i from the petty bourgeois
intelligensia who has lived off a silver spoon.

I was born in a ghettoe. I am been fighting to survive all my life. Millions
of the poor and workers have died along the way. A price they had to pay for
your silver spoons.Andersen, you would never understand because you have
never been their.
With your attitude you will never lead anything.

>You might not like "the ivory tower" - and I can follow
>you on some of it - but try taking what you like and
>leave it at that. Anything else is a waste of time.

No, i was thrown out of the ivory tower. And it was done in a very quiet and
disgusting way. In Marxist 2 you are political cowards and have put up a
nice workers not welcome sign. Go play games with those people Andersen. You
can,t show me anything except how to be a coward and try and trick real
workers into being something that they are not. Workers judge people by
their actions and you my friend are proving in action that your loyalty is
divided between intellectual cozy parties with the ivory tower and the dirty
hard reality of a real worker.

That reality can not be escaped by running off to hide and discuss amongst
yourselves in some private club. Sooner or later your are going to have to
come out of that cyper hole. When you do we will be here..

By the way. Tell your pals that i will tell every one and anyone how you
have treated me. That is not and empty threat. Yesterday i had and article
on my book on Internet in the biggest newspaper in the north of Sweden. Soon
the biggest evening paper in sweden is doing and article. I am often on TV
and radio both here and Internationally. And will probably be even more so
as things move along. I intend to tell the world about the so called
Marxists in M2. How you treat people with working class background, who are
prepared to fight for communism. Don,t worry my friends. Your time is
coming. I have your names and Andersen you are soon on this list if you keep
it up. Lets see how the ivory towers deals with that. You might be able to
exclude me from your ivory tower in silence. But.. you can,t keep me from
talking and living. Of course you can go into the digest and erase all the
evidence..

Soon i hope to be on National Radio in the states again...Perhaps i should
take up the M2 marxists ideas of a free discussion and link it to how Bill
Clinton and others would stop free discussion on the NET.I can see the
headlines. Clinton, The Pope, and M2 in holy alliance against communist
working class militants on the net. Because M2 has done exactly with me what
the Pope and Clinton would do but for different reasons.

I am getting very mad again.

malecki from exile...




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