Re: WHAT HAPPENED IN INDONESI

[kenhow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Ken Howard)]

>Tu, HARIETTE@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, hai scritto alle 00:21:60:
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> HA>That you don't even know what you are talking about
> HA> and are only repeating baseless charges circulated by
> HA> the bourgeois reactionaries.
>
>     All my sources and quotes were from:
>1. Peking Review
>2. Aidit, president of the PKI, praising Sukharno
>3. Your posts on "subordinating class (or immediate) interests
>to national interests"
>4. Theses of Lenin's Comintern in contrast with Mao's
>menshevism on "Third World"
>5. Margarete Buber-Neumann (wife of one of the founders of the
>Communist Party of Germany) on German communists that Stalin
>delivered to Hitler.
>
>     You have a strange idea on what the "bourgeois
>reactionaries" are.
>
>
> HA> Why are you obssessed with
> HA> thing of the past
>
>     You think to have the right to call comrade Project and
>others in this list "fascist" and of the same type of the
>moral accomplices of Pinochet and Suharto. And when I exposed
>who the real accomplices were (i.e. Chairman Mao), you are not
>interested in debating "thing of the past"?
>     Furthemore you posted a long and trivial article on
>Italian fascism "demonstrating" that it arose from the right
>wing of the sd. It seems to me that you have yet to decide
>wich stalinism to follow: that of third period or the popular
>frontist one?
>
>
> HA> You can see that the bourgeosie nods in agreement with
> HA> you everytime you slander Stalin, and the you dare to
> HA> call comrades revolutionaries who owe so much to Stalin
> HA> in ideas and example?
>
>     Very clever, comrade Adolfo! I work shoulder by shoulder
>with comrade who consider themselves stalinists: we do
>strikes and pickets togheter.
>But notwistanding the militancy of rank-and-file membreship Stalinist tops were
>
>(and are) reactionnary in terms of the interests of the
>working class: basically Stalinism is an ideology of class collaborationism.
>Because, despite what you think, the
>bourgeoisie owe a lot to Stalin (and to the Stalinist leaders),
>more than the PCP. They owe to Stalin the bourgeois rule in Italy and Greece. A
> the
>Indonesian bourgeoisie owes to Mao the disarming of the PKI
>and the Indonesian workers and peasants.
>     I think that if you go through the socialdemocratic press
>during the Moscow trial (remember, time of Popular fronts) you
>will get some surprise on how the socialdemocrats nodded to
>the destruction of the entire cc of the Bolshevik party that
>made the revolution.
>
>
> If you think Stalin was so bad,
> HA> why don't you prove it leading a revolution with your
> HA> ideas and putting them into practice without need to
> HA> get anyone's approval?
>
>     You have nothing more intelligent to say? I.e.: you
>admit to have lost the discussion?
>
>Comradely, Luigi
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"Comrade Adolpho. the ruling class grand signeur of junk slumming it to
tell the prols what to do do to achieve their liberation. You have no
credibility left Adolpho, your'e terribly well read on the classics but so
would we all if we had servants to cater to our every need.P.S. Ruling
class kiddies like you don"t tell us working class how to run our
revolution thanks..




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