Re: Young Liberal Fascist (XII)

[Brian Carnell <briand@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

>       Did you miss the entire discussion on market socialism?  Why do you
>think Gus Hall runs for President?  It's democracy, man, democracy.  Tell me,
>when you go to your boss and ask him for a raise is that decided
>democratically?  Did you elect your boss?  Do you think most people have?
>Who runs your life from 9 to 5 every day of the working week, and makes you
>sweat and worry over how you'll make ends meet? the government?

Actually, *I* run my life every day from 9 to 5.  I have a choice of who to
work for, etc.

Market socialism is a nonsensical idea.  Since it would require some sort of
central planning of the market, even if democratically controlled, it would
not be a genuine "market."

I think you put too much stock in democracy, which has a fundamental
assumption that individual rights should bend to the collective will.


>       You libertarians are a kick, you rail against Washington, while you
>are kicked around by the man all day.  Socialists, like libertarians, want
>to add more democracy into the lives of people.  We, however, have realized
>that most people are far more oppressed by their bosses and the stockholders
>he works for,  than by Bill Clinton (although we certainly wouldn't mind
>seeing the door hit his ass on the way out).

Are you serious??  I can choose whatever economic relationship I choose to
engage in...I don't have my choices artifically limited (except to the
extent the current government does so).  "Market" socialism would
artifically limit those choices.

I fail to see how I am economically oppressed in the marketplace.  That I
don't have a positive right to the exact economic relationship I would
prefer does not entail that my negative right to liberty is very much secure.



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