Re: market socialism - ATFQ

[Justin Schwartz <jschwart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Adam Rose wrote:

>
> I think that's the problem with discussions on the net - they can not be
> related to practise. So I have no idea what you actually do, I have no
> idea whether we could work together on specific issues or not. The ISO
> come into contact with your ideas in relation to your practise, I don't.
> My arguments with you would be 100 times easier for me if we could
> work together in practise - since we'd be confronting the market at
> every point.

Sure, and vice versa. Which is a good reason not to attempt ad hominems
that might not stick in one context even if they would in another,
Although I don't think the "market socialists are objectively Blairite
sellouts" works even in a Brit context.
>
> All I know is that you support the market, and I don't.

No, you know more than that. You know I'm a Marxist, a member of a
self-described revolutionary organization committed to independent
politics (Solidarity), and within the limits of my school schedule an
activistt who btw opposed support for bourgeois politicl parties. That
should rell you something.

>
> Also, your practise seems to me to have no reflection whatever in what you 
> post.
> I think this is precisely because you are a market socialist - your theory
> is structurally unable to reflect your practise. To the extent that your
> posts could reflect what you do, they must neccessarily break from market
> socialism.
>
Actually I have never seen any difference that viewws about market or
planned socialism have made to the concrete activism that anyone does,
except in propaganda. MSers are of course perhaps more likely to support
starting co-ops, but I don't know anyone who actually does this. Whwen I
work with the ISO or the CP for that matter it's pretty much in the same
way and in the same type of movements and mass organization. Debates about
matters such as these are in a legal terms a sidebar.

--Justin




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