Fascism and nonsense

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First of all sorry for my bad English. Now I'm a little bit
bored by the ultraleft trivialities that Mauro is scattering
here.

Written by MAURO.JR in the msg n. 7339 at 20:08:19 of
07-Dic-95:



 MA> Mauro jr: This is the "vexata quaestio": the workers
 MA> organisations. What does it means?
 MA> How "cazzo" can you talk of workers organisation, while
     you are claiming
 MA> to be communist, to be revolutionary?

 Luigi: Did Mauro hear about "bourgeois workers parties", as
Lenin called the socialdemocrats of the II International? Or,
maybe, the strikes now in France are organized by one sector
of the bourgeoisie (i.e. the Pcf) against another one?
Certainly, you can say that the strikes are organized by the
unions, but every child in France knows that the Pcf is behind
the wave of strikes.

 MA> Mauro jr: Fascism happens when the
 MA> bourgeoisie has already and compactly choosen it,
 MA> against the others options.
     Luigi: This is'nt true. Look at Italy in 20s' and Germany
in 30s' where sectors of the bourgeoisie were not very
comfortable with the fascists. But the real point is another:
if you put together Mauro's position on "workers
organizations" (which in fact are bourgeois) and the above
sentence on the "compactness" of the bourgeoisie in choosing
fascism, y'll have a perfect "socialfascist" theory. And both
in 20s' and in 30's (respectively on Italy and Germany) the
Bordiguists had the same position that the Stalinists had in
face of Hitler's rise to te power (I' can give you a lot of
sentences by Bordiga himself on the socialists being the "main
danger" for the working class in Italy in 1920-22).

 MA> Thus, the joint fight
 MA> against the fascists is possible,yes, but is also
 MA> hopeless (as it has always been).
 MA> Mauro jr:
 MA> > How is it that it never occured that a fascist attempt
 MA> > has been stopped by such a united
 MA> front?  Adam: >Lenin + the Bolsheviks stopped Kornilov by
 MA> fighting alongside Kerensky. >This was actually a
 MA> crucial step in winning enough influence to  >overthrow
 MA> Kerensky.  Mauro jr: Hey Adam are you joking? Kornilov
was
 MA> trying to defeat militarily a working class which was
 MA> standing and arising. A completely different political
 MA> situation which cannot be compared with the situations
 MA> where fascism seized the power. It's an old trick of
 MA> opportunism to exchange at pleasure the "historical
 MA> examples", without any redard to the marxist analysis
 MA> of them.

Mauro jr:
 MA> > Comrades, the failures of many United fronts has not
 MA> > yet convinced you that it is a bankruptcy politics?

     Luigi: Here again. Adam is perfectly right on Kornilov
exemple. Anyway, the problem is that *never* a United Front
has been put in place (at least was not the case in Italy and
in Germany, where the respective leaderships of the Cpi and
Cpg were against). And again in Italy, the Bordiguists in "21-
22 were against the *united front*, also if they officially
said the contrary (quotes and facts also here are at
disposal). In any case Bordiga himself criticized the
*tactics* that led the Bolshevik party to take the power, in
Russia also.
     In the Bordiguist "Thesis of Rome" of 1926 they speak
about "united front from below", which in fact was a
*negation* of the united front. So, given that they were
against the United front, the Bordiguist declare this tactic
being "hopeless" (the program generates theory).
     I don't know why Bordiguists continue to refer to Lenin,
when they were always against his wiews. In 20s' against
United front tactics, Workers government, Tactics on the
colonial and semi-colonial countries, Parliamentarism (later
they repented, true). In 30s' against the fight for democratic
demands, against military support for the Popular front in
Spain (as Lenin did with Kerenski against Kornilov). I'think
it's enough.

 MA> Oh poor Lenin!
     Luigi: Here we agree!

 MA> Rev. greetings
     Luigi: Mine also
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