Re: what's this? YOU MEAN, THE RACIST RANTING ABOUT THE "WILDING" ATTHE PUERTO RICAN PARADE?

["bob brown" <vacirca@xxxxxxxxx>]

michael, why do yu waste yur time with these obscene excretions from these
patriarchal "marxists"? they are beyond ultra-leftism, this is defense of
male fascist behavior dressed up as marxism, plain and simple. i'd love to
drop these guys into a crowd of armed amazons and let them repeat this crap.
bob brown
--
"solidarity means sharing the same risks" - Che
( la solidarita significa correre gli stessi rischi)

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>From: Michael Pugliese <debsian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Louis R Godena <louisgodena@xxxxxxx>
>Subject: Fw: what's this? YOU MEAN, THE RACIST RANTING ABOUT THE "WILDING"
ATTHE PUERTO RICAN PARADE?
>Date: Thu, Jun 22, 2000, 6:08 PM
>

>     I think your comrade is giving an ultra-left rationalization for the
> assaults on women, and in general exhibits pretty retrograde attitudes. This
> incident, in its woman hatred, is just like the ones that occurred at
> Woodstock '99, perpetrated, in that case by suburban, white youth. The
> crimes committed, in both cases, of coarse occur in a overall social
> context, marked by racial and class dynamics, but, any thought that the
> Central Park assaults are less repugnant, due to the racial or ethnic
> background of the criminals, is I would think, to give in to Racist
> fantasies that men from those communities are more "instinctual" or
> "irrational", have poor impulse control, are "animals".
>   Methinks, y'all have taken marxism, in a Nietzschean direction. In
> frustration over not being able to attack the ruling class directly, and
> full of cynicism about morality and not treating people like means (what
> bourgeois Kantianism!), your friend defends random assaults, on those who
> happen to be mostly white. Turning the tables, is not justice. Time to
> reread, Plekhanov on terrorism and how it differs from marxism.
>                                                                   Michael
> Pugliese, bourgeois liberal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Infamous Vinnie Gangbox (by way of louisgodena@xxxxxxx (Louis R
> Godena)) <gangbox@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <debsian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: what's this? YOU MEAN, THE RACIST RANTING ABOUT THE "WILDING"
> ATTHE PUERTO RICAN PARADE?
>
>
>> Michael;
>>
>> This is an account of the same parade by a black NYC carpenter which
>> appeared on marxism-international a couple of days ago.  Let me know what
>> you think.
>>
>> Louis G
>>
>> __________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Louis:
>>
>> There has been a Puerto Rican parade going up 5th Avenue the first Sunday
> of
>> June since 1950. I have attended this parade since I moved to Manhattan 14
>> years ago.
>>
>> And one of the features of the parade is scantily clad teenage girls and
>> young women go to the parade to meet guys. And, there is always a certain
>> amount of teasing and bantering, and so forth, between the guys and the
>> girls. Towards the end of the day, as beer, rum, testosterone and
> marjuana's
>> synergistic effects take hold, some of the guys get rowdy and out of line.
>>
>> That's the bottom line on the so called "sexual assault". I was actually
> at
>> the parade that day, and I DID NOT see what the media is reporting. The
>> papers here have been calling it "wilding", a racial slur used by New York
>> newspaper reporters for "disurbances" in Central Park by Black or Hispanic
>> men.
>>
>> But, I suspect the REAL REASON that Giuliani, The Daily News, the National
>> Organization for Women and the NYPD are united is THEY DO NOT WANT THE
>> PARADE PASSING THROUGH THE WEALTHIEST NEIGHBORHOOD IN NEW YORK, THE UPPER
>> EAST SIDE, ANYMORE. That's why the proposed "reform" next year is to move
>> the parade downtown, from it's current 42nd through 86th street route, to
> a
>> new route from 14th st through 57th street, AWAY FROM THE RICH
> NEIGHBORHOOD.
>>
>>
>> The wealthy here see Central Park as their collective "backyard" and they
>> don't like sharing it with Black, Puerto Rican and Dominican workers. Even
>> one day a year.
>>
>> So that's why they made all these trumped up arrests, 11 to date. Plus
> they
>> are seeking 60 "suspects". And the New York County DA has been
> overcharging,
>> guys who, at worst, committed misdemeanor disorderly conduct and
> misdemeanor
>> sexual assault [in other words, they said something stupid to a girl and
>> grabbed at her chest and/or ass], are being charged with that catch all
>> charge of "conspiracy", and "riot" and so forth. In other words, major
>> felonies.
>>
>> Some cops may get fired also, for NOT making mass arrests at the parade,
>> Sharpton is leading the charge for that, allied with our fascist police
>> commissioner, Howard Safir.
>>
>> And the lilly White NYC Chapter of NOW has been staging nearly all White
>> "take back the park" marches. With just enough token Blacks so it doesn't
>> look as totally racist as it is.
>>
>> Just another day in the Occupied Territories of New York, where all
>> constitutional rights are suspended once you cross the city line. I'm
>> waiting for them to declare martial law.
>>
>> On a better note, I just got on a furniture job today, with a company
> called
>> Nationwide Furniture, at 5 World Trade Center. I should be there until
> next
>> week.
>>
>> Talk to you soon, comrade.
>>
>> GREG
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:59:53 -0400 (EDT), Louis R Godena wrote:
>>
>>
>>   Vinnie;
>>
>>   I came across a remark by McCaulay the other day, something to the
> effect
>>   that there is no spectacle quite so ridiculous as that of the British
>> public
>>   in one of its periodic fits of morality.  I find the present "fit" about
>>   this so-called mass sexual assault not so much ridiculous as sinister
> and
>>   frightening.  I thought I was watching commentators not from New York
> but
>>   from Sanduski, Ohio, or some similar red-neck backwater.
>>   The white liberal posturing is nauseating.
>>
>>   What gives, my friend?
>>
>>   Comradely,
>>   Louis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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