Re: [BRC-ANN] Statement on New York Festival Attacks

["bob brown" <vacirca@xxxxxxxxx>]

we agree stan :)........... only way i know is to not use reply but use
forward and send to the list that way, bob
--
"solidarity means sharing the same risks" - Che
( la solidarita significa correre gli stessi rischi)

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>From: bon moun <sherrynstan@xxxxxxx>
>To: "bob brown" <vacirca@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: FW: [BRC-ANN] Statement on New York Festival Attacks
>Date: Wed, Jun 21, 2000, 8:01 PM
>

> Bob,
>
> If this posts to you, can you repost and tell me how to correct this
> problem.  My posts are not "replying" to the list, but to individual
> posters.  This has happened with Katha and Yoshie, too, when I posted in
> reply to their comments.
>
> Thanks.
>
>>The Central Park attacks have reopened  a lot of  difficult questions  for
>>this list and the Left in general. the  political splits and gender, race
>>and class contradictions between  black and white feminists, hip-hop culture
>>and older generations, between men and women,white nation and black nation,
>>working class and middle class both in society and the Left are real,
>>materially, culturally and historically rooted divisions, not just a
>>capitalist trick, and they cannot be erased by generic calls for left unity
>>and class struggle  against the ruling class. on the other hand stan is
>>right about the  destructive style and tone of left debates. we do not need
>>more divisive, self righteous polemics , we're divided enough already what
>>we do need is a lot more information and solid class analysis;  of hip-hop
>>and youth culture generally, the culture  of male violence today and the
>>role and relationship of imperialism and the state in  fostering and
>>exploiting this emergent male fascist youth culture .
>
> In response to your comments, I tend to agree with everything you said.  I
> hope I didn't seem to imply that these "wedges" were generated as
> capitalist tricks.  It certainly wasn't my intent.  Captialism siezes on
> these existing contradictions and exploits them to its own benefit,
> relishes them, embellishes them, packages them to keep them nice and hot.
> They can not be erased by a generic call to unity, but they can not be
> overcome in the absence of left unity that translates into a radical
> restructuring of the social order from which they sprang and are nourished.
>  They are materially, historically, and culturally rooted.  Without an
> uprooting, they will spring up again and again.  My appeal, if that's what
> it is, is to examine the relations each sub-set therein has to the ruling
> class to more clearly join our macroanalysis with our work.  Solid class
> analysis, as you said.  Some of that work will be to deal with division
> between men and women, between black nation and white nation (I accept that
> noun, by the way), but we can not lose sight of the objective--if we agree
> on that objective--to establish the foundations for the socialist
> transformation of society... which begins with the liquidation of the
> ruling class.  For that, we need consistent strategic focus.
>
> More concretely, I said that we can simultaneously condemn the cops, the
> perpetrators, the system, and provide some counter-analysis to the
> captialist media.  This is an activity that is consistent with, essential
> to, and can can be accomplished alongside, our struggles with these
> divisions on the left.  I would argue, from the standpoint of that singular
> fight with the ruling class, that we DO demonstrate unity... the kind that
> let's us all point to that class and say what was said to the biblical King
> David.  You are that man.
>
> I appreciate your thoughtful comments.  They have been very helpful.
>
> BTW, are there any list members in North Carolina?
>
> Stan
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> "If insurrection is an art, its main content is to know how to give the
> struggle the form appropriate to the political situation."
>
>    -Vo Nguyen Giap
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>
>
> "Rather than seeking comparabilities in statistical terms among what are
> all too often superficial features of different situations, comparabilities
> must be sought at the level of determinate mechanisms, at the level of
> processes that are generally hidden from easy view."
>
>    -Eleanor Burke Leacock
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> "Every day one has to struggle that this love to a living humanity
> transform itself into concrete acts, in acts that serve as examples, as
> motivation."
>
>    -Ernesto "Che" Guevara
>