Re: [Critical-Realism] Easy solution

["Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Tim

We'd get on a lot better:- 

if you correct the thinking in your brain which (before you have looked into
it or the people involved) puts anything associated with religion in a
"horrible" box; 

if you get it into your head that not just you but also the Catholic church
(the community, that is, of often critical, multi-levelled people with
diverse viewpoints, as distinct from media reports of the "party line" of
its bureaucracy), and in particular some of its great thinkers (like St Paul
and G K Chesterton), are sometimes more subtle and relevant than may appear
to be the case.  Its teachings on things like birth control are too, but we
are agree they are not relevant to CR, so why do you keep raising them here?

Better a cold war than fury, but earning mutual respect would be better
(that prejudicial "useless" meme still sounds like Dawkins ... ) and
friendly mutual understanding better still.

Best    

Dave

 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:critical-realism-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim
Murphy
Sent: 13 June 2007 22:33
To: 'Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List'
Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Easy solution

Yes but Dave...

I'm more subtle than simple automatic deletion. 

Well usually anyway.. 

For example, with you I may want to allow some posts through but delete
others which are propaganda... so I can set my Email rule to delete only
things that contain various useless or nasty words or phrases that offend or
annoy me if they appear out of context in a CR list. You know, things like;
Saint Paul, G. K Chesterton, holy water, rosary beads, miracle, virgin
birth, the second coming, purge-a-tory etc.

The I can sort of apply a filter to your brain and just let the more useful
stuff through whistle trapping the contaminated expressions (junk memes?*)
in a memetic screen.

You could do the same and filter me out for things like; birth control,
condoms, AIDS in Africa, superstion, women priests, catholic church child
abuse, ritual cannibalism, the inquisition and so on...

I'm sure we'd get on a lot better.

I'm also sure that this is how global catastrophe was avoided during the
cold war. The translators would filter things out but they went even
further. When Nixon would say "we will obliterate you communist dogs unless
you allow us to destroy Vietnam", the translator would say "a further
meeting at the Paris peace conference may prove fruitful for all parties".
Brezhnev would reply "you gross capitalist ogre, we will turn your cities
into lakes of molten rock" the other translator would say, "I saw you on TV
last night Mr. President, I though you were very impressive" etc.

Tim

* The meme meme
Sources of infection

http://www.geocities.com/persistentmemes/what_is_a_meme.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
  

-----Original Message-----
From: critical-realism-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:critical-realism-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
Taylor
Sent: 13 June 2007 21:22
To: 'Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List'
Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Easy solution

Ruth

Your solution of "not responding" is reasonable but ambiguous. (Given time,
would you read the contributions anyway)? 

Tim's reduction of that to "automatic deletion" is neither reasonable nor a
solution.  It is certainly the simplest way, but it is also the easiest way
to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  The finder may not yet have seen
the point, the productivity may be in respect of aims which are actually
complementary rather than contrary ("counter"), someone doing harm is also
someone who needs helping.  Even paranoics have a point of view which may
one day resurface.   

How often does original and significant thought fail to find a publisher or
academic recognition  through the binning of anything which has not yet
earned repute, despite the publishing of anything (however evil) known to
sell to an audience susceptible to advertising (i.e. gullible), monistic
"efficiency" or fashionable automation?

Dave



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:critical-realism-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ruth
Groff
Sent: 13 June 2007 14:42
To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Easy solution

Hi all,

It seems to me that the simplest way of dealing with a contributor on
listserv whose posts people find to be off-point, counter-productive or even
harmful is, after saying so, and why, to just not respond to them.  I mean
really; just not at all.  Admittedly this is a moderated list, and one time
we had to ask someone to leave, so that is also an option.  Still, it's easy
enough to hit delete without even reading the post.       

Ruth  



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