Re: [Critical-Realism] Easy solution

["Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Ruth and all

Well, I AGREED with what you said, Ruth, about not responding, but you
didn't answer my question, at least directly.  I AGREE with what you now
say: that there are settings in which not everyone who wants to say
something ought to be allowed to.  Those who want to be abusive about
something they personally happen not to like should not be allowed to do so
repeatedly; those who are preaching to the converted or repeating what has
been unarguably disproven are wasting their own and our time.  But that's
not relevant to what I was trying to ADD.  If someone has something still
undealt with to say which is at some level relevant, then one dismisses it
(as Tim was recommending) unkindly and perhaps unwisely.

No offence taken, of course. Best wishes. 

Dave      

-----Original Message-----
From: critical-realism-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:critical-realism-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ruth
Groff
Sent: 13 June 2007 22:29
To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Easy solution

Hi Dave,

I think that what I think, since you've addressed this to me, is that there
are contexts in which not everyone who says something is entitled to a
response.  In fact I'm sure that I think this.  Some contexts, I think,
ought to be more expansive then others.  One ought, in my view, avoid
cutting off discussion with a close friend, for example, unless there is
some over-riding reason to do so.  But a moderated academic listserv is a
different setting altogether.  As is a classroom, a meeting, the Q & A
session after a public lecture, a family therapy session, an AA meeting,
etc., etc. -- all different.  

And I guess I think that it's even worse than this -- that there are
settings in which not everyone who wants to get to say something ought to be
allowed to do so.  This list, which is moderated, fits formally into this
latter category, though I was suggesting merely not responding.

Forgive me if I sound haughty in any way.  I don't mean to.

Warmly,
Ruth  

 




-----Original Message-----
From: critical-realism-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Dave Taylor
Sent: Wed 13-Jun-07 4:21 PM
To: 'Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List'
Subject: Re: [Critical-Realism] Easy solution
 
Ruth

Your solution of "not responding" is reasonable but ambiguous. (Given time,
would you read the contributions anyway)? 

Tim's reduction of that to "automatic deletion" is neither reasonable nor a
solution.  It is certainly the simplest way, but it is also the easiest way
to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  The finder may not yet have seen
the point, the productivity may be in respect of aims which are actually
complementary rather than contrary ("counter"), someone doing harm is also
someone who needs helping.  Even paranoics have a point of view which may
one day resurface.   

How often does original and significant thought fail to find a publisher or
academic recognition  through the binning of anything which has not yet
earned repute, despite the publishing of anything (however evil) known to
sell to an audience susceptible to advertising (i.e. gullible), monistic
"efficiency" or fashionable automation?

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: critical-realism-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:critical-realism-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ruth
Groff
Sent: 13 June 2007 14:42
To: Continuation of the Spoon Bhaskar List
Subject: [Critical-Realism] Easy solution

Hi all,

It seems to me that the simplest way of dealing with a contributor on
listserv whose posts people find to be off-point, counter-productive or even
harmful is, after saying so, and why, to just not respond to them.  I mean
really; just not at all.  Admittedly this is a moderated list, and one time
we had to ask someone to leave, so that is also an option.  Still, it's easy
enough to hit delete without even reading the post.       

Ruth  



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