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BHA: RE: Epistemological relativism



Marko,
 
Roy Bhaskar addresses many of your issues in various books, esp. Realist Theory of Science. I've interspersed replies
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Subject: BHA: Epistemological relativism

Heikki Patomaki states in, After International Relations: Critical Realism and the (Re) Construction of World Politics, that "I define critical realism in terms of a well-articulated ontological realism, epistemological relativism and judgemental rationalism" (p93).
 
What do people make of the claim that CR adopts epistemological relativism? Given that one is an epistemic relativist how does one justify judgemental rationalism?
 
To assert that the natural world is "real" but that our knowledge of it is a mere social construction, that it does not exist outside of "geo-historical processes" (p144) as far as I can see is anything but a "realist philosophy of science". To speak frankly I do not see how an epistemic relativist can claim that the world is "real" if our knowledge of it is a mere social construction. Thus to say that the natural world is real, according to Patomaki, is itself a social construction. Thus it might be real but then again when society is reconstructed it may well turn to be unreal, then real again and so on. A realist "philosophy of science" must be concerned with our knowledge of the world not the world itself. Patomaki is thus no realist. And if CR adopts epistemic relativism then neither is it. One must be an epistemic realist. 
 
This is an example of the epistemic fallacy. The world's existence does not depend on our knowledge of it. Our knowledge is fallible and socially constructed. This does NOT necessarily imply our knowledge is wrong. It simply (1) means that the reality of the world does not depend on our knowledge and (2) we can always be wrong. Socially constructed knowledge is not necessarily fiction, although it likely has biases and blind spots. The practice of dismissing anything but a "God's eye view of the world" as falsehood is a typical positivist practice.
 
Take what you wrote above. Would you say the world according to Newton's physics was real or not? If it was real, when Einstein came along did it become unreal? Knowledge changes, grows, and perhaps shrinks. This does not mean the object of knowledge does so in the same way.
 
Patomaki it seems to me believes in supernatural forces. He claims that "different, emergent layers (such as biological, human and social) are ontologically irreducible" (p8). Thus human nature has nothing to do with biology nor do human social systems have anything to do with human nature. If human nature cannot be reduced to biology then where does human nature come from, God? If so, as a realist, he must prove that the supernatural is real. If only the natural is real then human nature and human social systems are natural kinds not "social kinds".
 
 
There is a big difference between having "nothing to do with biology ..." etc. and "not being reducible to biology" etc. Take, for example, water. It consists of hydrogen and oxygen, two substances that are gaseous at room temperature and sea level and that burn in the presence of a match. Water, however, is liquid under the same conditions and puts out fires. While its power to do so depends on the nature of oxygen and hydrogen, the characteristics of each alone do not explain the characteristics of water. This argument is essentially one about emergent powers -- larger level things have powers by virtue of the ways lower level things are combined and structured within them. It is also one about the direction of causality: by virtue of what logic do we think societies or water owe their characteristics to people or oxygen/hydrogen rather than vice versa? For the atoms, it's possible to have them alone (or at least not in combination) without water, but for people is it possible to have them without society? Not!
 
There are lots of possible answers for your question about human nature. Besides God, there's social context, history, accident, and life situation, to name a few.
 
Why would you think only "the natural is real"? Do you think your bank account or the U.S. constitution are unreal?
 
 
    Marsh Feldman
 
 


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