BHA: Re: Let us take the demise of Africans- an example

[bwanika <daniel.bwanikah961@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Andrew


Good you replied. What is the medical defination of HIV?
And what are the origins of HIV

You can help lay your arguements against the evidence below.

Bwanika.

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Is it HTLV + LAV = HIV or RNA = HIV ????!!



  1. In 1975 Howard Termin / David Baltimore discovers what is called
  REVERSE
  TRANSCRIPTASE or RT.  RT can be termed as retroviruses and indeed HIV
is a
  RT, which contain RNA instead of DNA as their genetic material or in
lay
  mans language their structural configuration.  These so called
  retroviruses
  depended on the enzyme reverse transcriptase to convert the code
  (structural configuration ) contained as RNA in order to become DNA.
  You'll
  notice that sometimes HIV is indeed referred to as RT or retrovirus
also a
  virus which contains RA codes.

  2. In 1980 Robert Gallo discovers what is termed as Human T-cell
leukaemia
  virus or HTLV.

  3. In 1983 Montagnier submits a paper on the 20th May 1983 entitled,
  "Isolation of T-lymphotropic Retrovirus". It is said the virus was
  isolated
  from blood samples of a 33 year old gay man in the US  suffering from
  AIDS,
  it is said the man lived for the next 10 years after this discovery.
You
  can get the paper and read it.

  4. In the same year in 1983  Gallo credited to have discovered the HIV
  virus produces a paper published on the 11th may 1984 entitled "
Antigens
  on HTLV infected cells by leukaemia and AIDS sera related to HTLV. HTLV
  means Human T-cell leukaemia virus or HTLV I -II . The same virus
actually
  discovered by the same man Robert Gallo in 1980!

  5. In 1984  Uganda, In East Africa, Africa experiences her  first case
of
  "slim " or body wasting also AIDS if you want it to be called so. At
least
  that is the general view according to observations and discussion I've
had
  with Uganda's most educated researchers in the area.

  6. On 14th December  1983 Abraham Karpas a leukaemia researcher at the
  Dept. of Haematological medicine at Cambridge University comes up with
a
  low key paper entitle " Molecular Biology in Medicine " proclaiming to
  have
  discovered by electron microscope pictures of a virus called
  Lymphodenopathy Associated Virus or LAV.

  7. In may 1986 the International Taxonomy of viruses agree that Gallo's
  Human T-cell leukaemia virus or  (HTLV I - II) and  Karpas's
  Lymphodenopathy Associated Virus or (LAV) are identical therefore they
  should be called human immunodeficiency virus or HIV. (Coffin et al.,
  1986).

  8. Mulder et al in 1994 or before that year do AID tests on rural
  villagers
  numbering 9389 persons of HIV- I antibodies at the Ugandan virus
Research
  Institute.  4,8 % (450,6) were found to be positive. "Deaths were
  ascertained over 2 years" and 198 were recorded. Of these 109 were in
  seronegative i.e. not HIV positive individuals and 89 in seopositive
  individuals i.e HIV positive. Of the latter, 73 were adults.

  9. Polio vaccine launched in the central and the great lakes region
were
  launched in 1958 among thousands of children according to what I have
  read.
  We are informed that people with Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome or
  AIDS
  die in three to five /six years. I wonder how many of these children
died
  if the case is such that this polio vaccine is linked to AIDS causing
  virus
  HIV or other viruses derived from polio development from monkey or
  Africans
  eating chimpanzees! Look at the population figures in Rwanda, Congo,
  Burundi, and Uganda for more facts.

  10. Prior to HIV discovery i.e HTLV + LAV = HIV, viruses like
Taxoplasma
  which affects the brain and eye, Cryotosporidum a diarrhoea virus,
Herpes
  a
  mouth, anus, genital virus, cytomegalovirus  i.e. retina of the eye
virus,
  mycobacteria e.g. tuberculoses (T.B.) virus, Cryptocoicus for
meningitis ,
  pneumocystics for pneumonia and Kaposis's sarcoma for blood vessel
cancer
  (according to one Uganda doctor known since late 60's but also for many
  centuries ) have been in existence .  You'll notice that these are some
of
  the opportunistic disease associated with AIDS i.e. causing what are
said
  to be symptoms for AIDS. what I can't understand is HIV a combination
of
  these virus or it is HTLV + LAV = HIV or we don't know?!

  11. We should ask for Epidemiological data showing that indeed AIDS
  patients in general and Africans in particular are dying of AIDS
related
  diseases. If those case are less than 40 %, and that AIDS patients are
  dying of disease which have been prevalent in Africa for centuries,
then
  we
  must question what AIDS is?

  12. Ninety eight percent of haemophiliacs with AIDS test positive for
the
  presence of hepatitis B virus (Brenner et al., 1991), in fact hepatitis
B
  virus (HBV) seropositivity is a predictor for HIV seropositivity, but
no
  one claims that HBV is the cause of AIDS. Why?

  13. In one study in Africa, 83% of patients with suspected AIDS wer HIV
  positive, but so were 44% with malaria, 97% with herpes zoster, 43%
with
  pneumonia, 67% with amoebic dysentery and 41% with carcinoma. In the
other
  study, 42% of women with recurrent abortions, 67% with vaginal
ulcerations
  and 33% with haemorrhoids had a positive HIV antibody test.

  14. Are HIV antibodies not found in response to malaria, tuberculosis,
  leprosy and many other parasitic diseases does this mean that such
  individuals is HIV positive ?

  15. The best conducted studies in heterosexuals including the European
  Study Group (1989) have also shown that for women, the only practice
  leading to an increased risk of becoming HIV antibody positive is anal
  intercourse. Therefore, in non-African countries the only risk factor
for
  the acquisition of HIV antibodies is anal intercourse in the passive
  partner (male or female), and if the only cause for the development of
HIV
  antibodies is HIV infection then one must conclude that in non-African
  countries HIV is unidirectionally sexually transmitted. How does this
  correlate with bidirectional sexual transmission in Africa?

  16. In the whole history of Medicine there has never been an example of
a
  sexually transmitted disease which is spread unidirectionally, and
  certainly not one that is spread unidirectionally in one country and
  bidirectionally in another.

  17. AZT was originally designed as cytotoxic DNA chain terminators kill
  growing human cells for chemotherapy- why is it encouraged to be  used
in
  Africa if it in fact contributes to cell death -i.e. causing AIDS?

  18. How can diametrically different diseases as cancer and pneumonia
  malaria, Diarrhoea, fever and about 30 more different diseases are all
  said
  to have the same cause, i.e. HIV causing AIDS (Institute of Medicine,
  1988;
  Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1992; National Institute of
  Allergy and Infectious Diseases, 1994).


  19.  This is a reference to the premise floated from some quarters that
  AIDS in South Africa is particularly prominent along thehighway routes
  used by long distance  truckers, who are infecting women as they motor
  along. This is clumsy epidemiology. Toronto star-     July 9, 2000
Rosie
  Dimanno

  20. But malaria - while easily treated with inexpensive drugs, while
  hugely
  preventable with methods as simple as insecticide-treated bed nets -
has
  no
  clat. No powerful   international health lobby has declared war on it.
  Elizabeth Taylor hasn't set up an eponymous fundraising foundation for
it.
  Rock bands don't hold benefit concerts for  it. Toronto star-     July
9,
  2000 Rosie Dimanno.

  21. Africans are not wildly promiscuous, compared with other societies.
  Intravenous drug use - the other major source of HIV infection, which
is
  spread through exchange of semen and blood - is far less a scourge in
  Africa
  than in the Old World and the New World. Toronto star-     July 9, 2000
  Rosie Dimanno.









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"Andrew Hagen" <xah@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev 2001-02-04, kl. 20.03.35 angende
mnet Re: Let us take the demise of Africans- an example:


> On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:56:02 +0100, Bwanika wrote:
> >[...] I still want to know the entire sociology / CR philosophy
> >about viruses and bacterial epidemiology or at least the history of
> >contagious diseases.

> As far as I know, critical realism does not have any particular
> position on these issues. Also, sociology is the study of society.
> Sociologists do not typically delve into microbiology. Nevertheless, a
> sociology of microbiologists might be worthwhile. I am unaware of work
> in such an area, however.

> >Pharmacists confirm that not much is known about viruses, and if much
was
> >known or rather that that was the case there will be no virus in the
world,
> >since it will be possible to make drugs which could knock them outright.

> What do we really know about anything, including viruses? "Not much" is
> a good answer to that question. A better approach might be, "What
> interesting questions can we ask about viruses?" Happily, there are
> many such questions.

> >   Further still there is no virus in the world known which can cause a
> >multiple array of diseases. Therefore there is no HIV!

> First, scientists have identified a strain of virus they call "HIV."
> Thus, HIV exists. Second, perhaps you would like to dispute the link
> between HIV infection and AIDS? If so, where is your argument?
> Scientists do not claim HIV causes any condition, other than AIDS, in
> my understanding. AIDS itself is not fatal. If one was not exposed to
> the untold billions of microorganisms latent in the environment, many
> of which are fatal to a human without a functioning immune system, then
> one could live with AIDS quite well. Our environment is different
> though. There are all those microorganisms out there, waiting to infect
> a host. In an AIDS patient a common cold more easily develops into
> pneumonia because the immune system has deteriorated due to the HIV
> infection. Pneumonia and many other diseases that the immune system
> usually can fight are more likely to be fatal in AIDS patients. The
> exposure of the body to what are ordinarily innocuous microorganisms is
> what (indirectly) makes an HIV infection deadly.

> > [....]  AIDS is said to be a reflection of  common disease, which have
been here
> >with us for ages.

> No, you are wrong. AIDS stands for "Acquired Immune Deficiency
> Syndrome." As the name implies, AIDS implies the failure of the immune
> system. AIDS causes no condition which, taken by itself, is fatal.

> >  [....] So if one talks of Blacks or (Africans) dying of AIDS in big
numbers
> >what is it that they are talking about? [....]

> Such a statement would be technically inaccurate. No one dies of AIDS.
> People who have AIDS die of pneumonia and other diseases that are much
> deadlier to them then they are to people without AIDS. To say that
> someone dies of AIDS is a convenient shorthand that unfortunately
> mystifies rather than clarifies.

> BTW, it is of course not just Blacks and Africans who die of diseases
> contracted that, save for AIDS, they probably would not have contracted
> otherwise. But Africa happens to be the most afflicted continent
> currently.

> What can be done to fight AIDS? That is not yet clear. We often hear
> talk of an "AIDS vaccine." Such an antidote is unlikely to be
> developed. Vaccines typically have been developed for bacterial
> infections, not viral infections. The medicines of humanity are mostly
> ineffective against viral invasions. It may very well be a waiting
> game. After several more decades, a less deadly, and thus more easily
> transfered virus may evolve. Such a virus could supplant HIV. Most
> infected patients would not develop AIDS because this new virus would
> not be as deadly. Unless we develop some great new medical technology,
> this decades-away possibility is about the best that can be hoped for,
> in my belief. Unfortunately, that is of no help or comfort to current
> AIDS patients.

> Thus, the best way to fight HIV/AIDS is to stop spreading it. Cut down
> on non-monogamous sexual relations, for example.

> Andrew Hagen
> xah@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


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