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Sad an Insult to Durriti and Orwell
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 4:06 AM
This "Action" seems designed to instigate
distention between politicized progressive groups. The sacrifice in the
"premature" fight against fascism is not tarnished by the ultimate
betrayal of the collectives by the Soviet. The anti-Franco people,
native and foreign volunteer alike were lending a shoulder to the
struggle. The political manipulations at higher levels are well
documented and were not clearly understood in the front lines. Yes the
Soviets betrayed the peoples struggle. Flaming the monument is a weak
and off target effort reminiscent of Counterintelpro or Mikey Sabage.
Check on the dinky dong website of the "Protest Worriers" Sorry
"Warriors" to see whether those Lighmbaughtimized loonies have claimed
credit yet (they have verbal diarrhea...)
who's durriti?
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 5:21 AM
First off, who's "Durriti"? His name was DURRUTI. Careless misspellings are a sure sign of false flag operations, aren't they?
Second, Stalinists are the enemies of all autonomous working class tendencies and movements, and they know it. The rank and file knew it in the 1930s, and their heirs know it today. All moments of working class self-organization are targeted for co-opting into the CP or its various (popular) front groups, or destroyed. Rank and file party cadre are instrumental in diverting the move for self-organization into the disciplined avenues laid out by the party hierarchs. That you tepid self-described progressives don't understand how Stalinists (and a host of other Leninists) operate is to your detriment; some of the rest of us know that the involvement of rank and file party members in anything but an individual capacity (if such a thing is even possible in the fist place) is the kiss of death to any kind of autonomy, self-organization, and individual initiative.
Eli, if you really believe that Stalinists, Trots, Maoists, and any other Leninists are the potential allies of those of us not interested in Party Communism, then you need to read some history of how those folks (hierarchs and rank and filers both) actually interacted with anarchists and other autonomous non-Party communists. I'll give you a hint: it was a homicidal relationship. They kill us whenever they can. Oh yeah, but they're still our potential allies, right? Fuck you.
Second, Stalinists are the enemies of all autonomous working class tendencies and movements, and they know it. The rank and file knew it in the 1930s, and their heirs know it today. All moments of working class self-organization are targeted for co-opting into the CP or its various (popular) front groups, or destroyed. Rank and file party cadre are instrumental in diverting the move for self-organization into the disciplined avenues laid out by the party hierarchs. That you tepid self-described progressives don't understand how Stalinists (and a host of other Leninists) operate is to your detriment; some of the rest of us know that the involvement of rank and file party members in anything but an individual capacity (if such a thing is even possible in the fist place) is the kiss of death to any kind of autonomy, self-organization, and individual initiative.
Eli, if you really believe that Stalinists, Trots, Maoists, and any other Leninists are the potential allies of those of us not interested in Party Communism, then you need to read some history of how those folks (hierarchs and rank and filers both) actually interacted with anarchists and other autonomous non-Party communists. I'll give you a hint: it was a homicidal relationship. They kill us whenever they can. Oh yeah, but they're still our potential allies, right? Fuck you.
freelance cointelpro
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 6:30 AM
This is shameful. Self-involved, historically myopic and gross.
No one should blame anarchists for the shitty, freelance cointelpro activity here documented. No anarchist group or individual will go on record supporting this. It looks like some right-wing creep pretending to be an anarchist to provoke sectarian nonsense.
It won't work. Socialists, anarchists and communists – along with all freedom loving people won't buy these dirty tricks any more.
The scum who did this tried to brag on NYC Indymedia – not one person or group has supported it there either.
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2008/07/98727.html
No one should blame anarchists for the shitty, freelance cointelpro activity here documented. No anarchist group or individual will go on record supporting this. It looks like some right-wing creep pretending to be an anarchist to provoke sectarian nonsense.
It won't work. Socialists, anarchists and communists – along with all freedom loving people won't buy these dirty tricks any more.
The scum who did this tried to brag on NYC Indymedia – not one person or group has supported it there either.
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2008/07/98727.html
Not protest warriors
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 9:58 AM
There are no more protest warriors in the bay area- even they realized the war was a big mistake.
Charles Manson anarchoids
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 12:17 PM
I'm surprised they didn't paint HELTER SKELTER all over the monument. Some disease.
My grandmother was a part of the anti-fascist resistance, a social democrat or Pink as she says. No doubt these dubious anarchists would support killing her too, because she doesn't buy their fanatical hatred of anyone who isn't a PURE REAL ANARCHIST!!!!!
This stuff impresses nobody. It's adolescent and hateful, and a real distortion of what happened in Spain and throughout the war.
My grandmother was a part of the anti-fascist resistance, a social democrat or Pink as she says. No doubt these dubious anarchists would support killing her too, because she doesn't buy their fanatical hatred of anyone who isn't a PURE REAL ANARCHIST!!!!!
This stuff impresses nobody. It's adolescent and hateful, and a real distortion of what happened in Spain and throughout the war.
Kevin Keating the @sshole strikes again
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 1:01 PM
Kevin Keating is a long-time Bay Area
lunatic who confuses his own dementia for a political analysis.
According to a post on libcom.org, Keating has been complaining about
this memorial for a long time:
http://libcom.org/forums/history/popular-front-spanish-civil-war-be-commemorated-san-francisco
My suggestion? Treat Keating to the same paint job he dished out. Paint "Long Live Durruti and Orwell" across his face, and let him wash his own shame off.
Keating is universally reviled by anyone who is involved with anti-authoritarian movements as an anti-social jerkoff. Don't blame anarchists for this one, comrades, the cat is out of the bag.
http://libcom.org/forums/history/popular-front-spanish-civil-war-be-commemorated-san-francisco
My suggestion? Treat Keating to the same paint job he dished out. Paint "Long Live Durruti and Orwell" across his face, and let him wash his own shame off.
Keating is universally reviled by anyone who is involved with anti-authoritarian movements as an anti-social jerkoff. Don't blame anarchists for this one, comrades, the cat is out of the bag.
Another thing...
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 1:59 PM
I doubt the deft and witty revolutionaries
who did this were out to win a popularity contest with a bunch of
losers like the ones posting most of the stuff on this thread.
Orwell and Durruti rock -- drop dead, Stalinophiles.
Orwell and Durruti rock -- drop dead, Stalinophiles.
Real Organizing anyone?
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 2:06 PM
The problem with this type of vandalism
(and a lot of the vandalism recently in santa cruz) isn't that it
violates some sort of moral code or that it is "illegal", it's that
tactically and strategically it makes no sense.
The first problem is the choice of target. With war profiteers offices all over downtown, army recruitment offices, police stations, corporate fast food chains, banks, etc, etc, you choose a memorial to paint? And you choose to paint over a memorial to people fighting fascism? As other posters have already said, the people that choose to go fight fascism weren't necessarily aligning themselves either with the anarchists or the stalinists, they just understood that there needed to be resistance.
The second problem is the choice of tactics. While spraying graffiti on a wall or memorial might be fun and could even get your heart racing a bit, actually thinking that it will affect society is a bit foolish. The problem with the anarchist movement in North America is that almost all of it's activity tends to be focused on spectacular actions, ones which look good on footage and in front of cameras, but that the movement refuses to do any concrete organizing and do the 'dirty work' of building a revolutionary/insurrectionary movement (i.e., organizing meetings/councils, organzing your neighborhood, creating parallel structures to the current oppressive ones).
Hopefully all of the excitement that went into doing this action can be channeled into more productive anarchist organizing.
-an optimistic anarchist
p.s. - anarchists are nonheirarchical, and working with stalinists/trotskyists/etc would be hypocritical.
The first problem is the choice of target. With war profiteers offices all over downtown, army recruitment offices, police stations, corporate fast food chains, banks, etc, etc, you choose a memorial to paint? And you choose to paint over a memorial to people fighting fascism? As other posters have already said, the people that choose to go fight fascism weren't necessarily aligning themselves either with the anarchists or the stalinists, they just understood that there needed to be resistance.
The second problem is the choice of tactics. While spraying graffiti on a wall or memorial might be fun and could even get your heart racing a bit, actually thinking that it will affect society is a bit foolish. The problem with the anarchist movement in North America is that almost all of it's activity tends to be focused on spectacular actions, ones which look good on footage and in front of cameras, but that the movement refuses to do any concrete organizing and do the 'dirty work' of building a revolutionary/insurrectionary movement (i.e., organizing meetings/councils, organzing your neighborhood, creating parallel structures to the current oppressive ones).
Hopefully all of the excitement that went into doing this action can be channeled into more productive anarchist organizing.
-an optimistic anarchist
p.s. - anarchists are nonheirarchical, and working with stalinists/trotskyists/etc would be hypocritical.
A "Stop Loss" protest ?
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 2:30 PM
The ALB was stop lossed for six months, even though they were told they would be serving for a year.
"working together"
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 2:36 PM
I don't think anyone is dying to work with
the misanthropes of the Kevin Keating variety. If you think working
with people who don't share your hyper-particular ideology is bad, then
fine. Associate with the circle of people who think like you.
All this "stalinist" talk is just right-wing, dehumanized rhetoric dressed up in anarchist drag. It's David Horowitz pre-conversion. We've seen it, we can smell it a mile away.
I'll work with anyone for democratic rights.
All this "stalinist" talk is just right-wing, dehumanized rhetoric dressed up in anarchist drag. It's David Horowitz pre-conversion. We've seen it, we can smell it a mile away.
I'll work with anyone for democratic rights.
"working together" part II
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 2:44 PM
I am a socialist. I've never met or heard
of anyone, ever, who calls themselves a Stalinist. That's right-wing
bullshit talk for anyone who believes in food stamps or free education
or taxing rich people.
This is demented. I'm not really into the state, but politics are a fact and recognizing that doesn't make me responsible for the loss in Spain. I would have fought, just like the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought. So would 99% of the people who read Indybay. It was a political fight to get recognition for these heroes, and it takes a real jerk not to understand the history of these veterans and what they had to endure even after making it back from the fields of Spain. Blacklisting, prison for some and exile for others. All while being called "Stalinists" for defending democracy.
I've worked side-by-side with people who called themselves anarchists as long as I've been politically active. Some were great, others self-involved permanent adolescents. The philosophy never made any sense to me but I don't judge those who have it. However, not one of them would ever do something as reactionary and self-involved as this.
I remember and respect the Abraham Lincoln Brigades. We should all respect those who fought fascists and refuse to use the very terms fascists invented to de-legitimize the political fight for social equality. Nobody is attacking anarchists, and all this talk of "slaughter" makes it really seem like this person is a deranged sociopath with a library card and hateful bloodlust in his heart. You're not doing anyone any favors.
In fact, go to Spain and see how the International Brigades are respected and admired. I have.
This is demented. I'm not really into the state, but politics are a fact and recognizing that doesn't make me responsible for the loss in Spain. I would have fought, just like the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought. So would 99% of the people who read Indybay. It was a political fight to get recognition for these heroes, and it takes a real jerk not to understand the history of these veterans and what they had to endure even after making it back from the fields of Spain. Blacklisting, prison for some and exile for others. All while being called "Stalinists" for defending democracy.
I've worked side-by-side with people who called themselves anarchists as long as I've been politically active. Some were great, others self-involved permanent adolescents. The philosophy never made any sense to me but I don't judge those who have it. However, not one of them would ever do something as reactionary and self-involved as this.
I remember and respect the Abraham Lincoln Brigades. We should all respect those who fought fascists and refuse to use the very terms fascists invented to de-legitimize the political fight for social equality. Nobody is attacking anarchists, and all this talk of "slaughter" makes it really seem like this person is a deranged sociopath with a library card and hateful bloodlust in his heart. You're not doing anyone any favors.
In fact, go to Spain and see how the International Brigades are respected and admired. I have.
and not working together...
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 2:45 PM
"I doubt the deft and witty
revolutionaries who did this were out to win a popularity contest with
a bunch of losers like the ones posting most of the stuff on this
thread."
Deft and witty?
Methinks you are talking about yourself. Kevin, get help. You're going to end up hurting yourself.
Deft and witty?
Methinks you are talking about yourself. Kevin, get help. You're going to end up hurting yourself.
just wanted to add
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 2:49 PM
I just wanted to say that I'm not an anarchist, and I apologies if from what I wrote it seems that I am one.
I still think that the action does not make sense and that it hurts the Anarchist movement more then anyone. I also think that people from different political background can unite and work together on different issues, and most importantly define the real enemy.
I still think that the action does not make sense and that it hurts the Anarchist movement more then anyone. I also think that people from different political background can unite and work together on different issues, and most importantly define the real enemy.
Yeah, I really believe
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 5:49 PM
Mike writes: <i> if you really
believe that Stalinists, Trots, Maoists, and any other Leninists are
the potential allies of those of us not interested in Party Communism,
then you need to read some history of how those folks (hierarchs and
rank and filers both) actually interacted with anarchists and other
autonomous non-Party communists. I'll give you a hint: it was a
homicidal relationship. They kill us whenever they can. Oh yeah, but
they're still our potential allies, right? Fuck you.</i>
When Emma Goldman was deported from this country, she was received as an honored guest in the Soviet Union, then in the period of intense turmoil and civil war. She was employed, and could travel and speak at liberty. Eventually she did not want to be associated with the revolution, and did not support the Bolshevik seizure of power. Then she left, which she was free to do.
Huh. Then again, Prince Peter Kropotkin himself died of old age. At his funeral, the anarchist political prisoners were literally released from their incarceration to attend the funeral. 10,000 marched. Kropotkin was buried as a hero in Soviet Russia.
History is not so simple.
The times in which we live <i>today</i> demand the best of us.
When Emma Goldman was deported from this country, she was received as an honored guest in the Soviet Union, then in the period of intense turmoil and civil war. She was employed, and could travel and speak at liberty. Eventually she did not want to be associated with the revolution, and did not support the Bolshevik seizure of power. Then she left, which she was free to do.
Huh. Then again, Prince Peter Kropotkin himself died of old age. At his funeral, the anarchist political prisoners were literally released from their incarceration to attend the funeral. 10,000 marched. Kropotkin was buried as a hero in Soviet Russia.
History is not so simple.
The times in which we live <i>today</i> demand the best of us.
Counter-revolutionary Stalinist scumbags of the world, unite!
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 5:50 PM
San Francisco's contemporary sculptural
panegeric to the Stalinist big lie about the Spanish Civil War is built
for authentic anti-capitalist commentary.
Anyone who hates capitalism and the murderous service provided to capital by global Stalinism in the 20th century should jump in with paint or other communications tools and continue the process of nailing this despicable monument to counter-revolution, imperialist war, police terror and mass murder.
Three cheers for Durruti and Orwell! And double that for anarchist workers who killed Stalinists during the May Days of 1937!
And for all the grossly historically ignorant ones posting here, try to expand your historical consciousness; you have plenty of room for growth. Go read "Homage to Catalonia" and "Between the Bullet and the Lie." Read about members of the International Brigades who were murdered by the secret police of the International brigades, and the International Brigades torture center and charnel house for dissident IB's in Albicete.
Is the "wingnut" weenie a certain former IWW "organizer" of soiled hanky picker-uppers at a certain South of Market meat-rack bar?
Anyone who hates capitalism and the murderous service provided to capital by global Stalinism in the 20th century should jump in with paint or other communications tools and continue the process of nailing this despicable monument to counter-revolution, imperialist war, police terror and mass murder.
Three cheers for Durruti and Orwell! And double that for anarchist workers who killed Stalinists during the May Days of 1937!
And for all the grossly historically ignorant ones posting here, try to expand your historical consciousness; you have plenty of room for growth. Go read "Homage to Catalonia" and "Between the Bullet and the Lie." Read about members of the International Brigades who were murdered by the secret police of the International brigades, and the International Brigades torture center and charnel house for dissident IB's in Albicete.
Is the "wingnut" weenie a certain former IWW "organizer" of soiled hanky picker-uppers at a certain South of Market meat-rack bar?
Lost. You are lost.
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 6:21 PM
I try to imagine a better world in how you
interact with the crappy one we've got – and I don't see it. This is
sterile. You are out of time, not only anti-socialist – but downright
anti-social.
Paul Robeson's statement on the memorial:
"The artist must take sides. He must elect to fight for freedom or for slavery. I have made my choice. I had no alternative."
Just so nobody is confused, this is from the monument that was defaced. This was the message and spirit condemned. This is what it was built to say.
Is this a lie? Is this sentiment a lie?
What are you about?
Paul Robeson's statement on the memorial:
"The artist must take sides. He must elect to fight for freedom or for slavery. I have made my choice. I had no alternative."
Just so nobody is confused, this is from the monument that was defaced. This was the message and spirit condemned. This is what it was built to say.
Is this a lie? Is this sentiment a lie?
What are you about?
happy happy happy happy happy
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 6:22 PM
All movements have equally fucked up members doing pretty much equally fucked up things.
Any movement that claims to have some more moral highground has probably never been in a position to really assert itself. Anarchism is in some ways a contradiction. As a real political ideology it is perhaps a variant of socialism mixed with a bit of modern conservative libertarian views around the edges. As an anti-ideology it benefits from tautology and the hall or mirror one can get when one uses the socratic method with no real beliefs of ones own (reducing all other movements to their worst elements and when their labels were used in the worst possible contexts).
The USSR would have been horrible to have lived in and did exist only two decades ago but it has very little real relation to Communists in the US today no matter how much both Communists and Anarchists wish to believe otherwise. The Spanish Civil war is of interest to those in such movements for the same reaso the Civil War is of interest to Civil War buffs or ousting of is interest to those in the SCA. The current struggles are real and good and all but the ideology is an anarchonistic overlay with the sectarian conflicts being akin to Star Trek fans slashing the tires of Star Gate fans at a Sci Fi convention.
There is a real world out there with bosses abusing workers, countries invading and killing those in other countries, police shooting people, global warming, ethnic cleansing and the like. Walk down the street and talk to a homeless person and see if your conflicts with each other mean anything to them (it might but if one side in your conflict disappeared their lives would still not be impacted).
Any movement that claims to have some more moral highground has probably never been in a position to really assert itself. Anarchism is in some ways a contradiction. As a real political ideology it is perhaps a variant of socialism mixed with a bit of modern conservative libertarian views around the edges. As an anti-ideology it benefits from tautology and the hall or mirror one can get when one uses the socratic method with no real beliefs of ones own (reducing all other movements to their worst elements and when their labels were used in the worst possible contexts).
The USSR would have been horrible to have lived in and did exist only two decades ago but it has very little real relation to Communists in the US today no matter how much both Communists and Anarchists wish to believe otherwise. The Spanish Civil war is of interest to those in such movements for the same reaso the Civil War is of interest to Civil War buffs or ousting of is interest to those in the SCA. The current struggles are real and good and all but the ideology is an anarchonistic overlay with the sectarian conflicts being akin to Star Trek fans slashing the tires of Star Gate fans at a Sci Fi convention.
There is a real world out there with bosses abusing workers, countries invading and killing those in other countries, police shooting people, global warming, ethnic cleansing and the like. Walk down the street and talk to a homeless person and see if your conflicts with each other mean anything to them (it might but if one side in your conflict disappeared their lives would still not be impacted).
Paul Robeson -- give me a break...
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 9:00 PM
Robeson was a stone Stalinist hack -- check out his bloviations on behalf of the results of the Moscow Trials.
But then you probably don't know what "Moscow Trials" refers to, do you.
You well-meaning souls need to lay off the Xanax. Try reading a book instead.
Hooray for Orwell and Durruti.
But then you probably don't know what "Moscow Trials" refers to, do you.
You well-meaning souls need to lay off the Xanax. Try reading a book instead.
Hooray for Orwell and Durruti.
lies, stupid lies, and Stalinism
Tuesday Jul 22nd, 2008 9:06 PM
First off, my name is Miles, not "Mike."
You imply that the anarchists who were let out of prison to attend
Kropotkin's funeral were not put back into prison right after, but they
were. Right after, where most of them continued to be tortured and
killed by the Leninist political police.
Second, Paul Robeson, a non-party member, was as fanatical about suppressing "Trotskyites" as anyone who was a member of the CPUSA, also supporting the various acts of Moscow in the '50s (suppression of the East Berlin workers, invasion of Hungary, etc). People who supported the policies of the Comintern from 1926-1942 were de facto Stalinists, constantly harping on the brilliance of the Glorious General Secretary of the Party. Remember that thing called Cult of Personality? Right-wingers didn't invent that analytical category. Anyone who fawned over the achievements of Stalin as an individual and as Party Secretary was a Stalinist; anyone who uncritically supported the twists and turns of Comintern and later Moscow's policies was a Stalinist. Anyone who currently supports any of the domestic and foreign policies of Moscow from 1924-1956 is a Stalinist. Ask your Leftist pals whether or not the Soviet invasion of Hungary in October 1956 was justified; ask them whether or not the suppression of the self-organized striking workers in East Berlin in 1953 was justified.
People who supported all that shit called themselves "progressives," and said they were fighting for "democratic rights" or some other sub-bourgeois bullshit. You can fight for democratic rights all you want, but you'll never be an anarchist or an authentic anti-state/anti-capitalist revolutionary. Democracy means the state, and progress means the continued domination of machines over people.
Not everyone who hates authoritarian leftism is a right winger.
And finally, the authors of the short blurb claiming responsibility for the act of artistic enhancement NEVER claimed to be anarchists. Go cry on somebody else's shoulder you creeps.
Second, Paul Robeson, a non-party member, was as fanatical about suppressing "Trotskyites" as anyone who was a member of the CPUSA, also supporting the various acts of Moscow in the '50s (suppression of the East Berlin workers, invasion of Hungary, etc). People who supported the policies of the Comintern from 1926-1942 were de facto Stalinists, constantly harping on the brilliance of the Glorious General Secretary of the Party. Remember that thing called Cult of Personality? Right-wingers didn't invent that analytical category. Anyone who fawned over the achievements of Stalin as an individual and as Party Secretary was a Stalinist; anyone who uncritically supported the twists and turns of Comintern and later Moscow's policies was a Stalinist. Anyone who currently supports any of the domestic and foreign policies of Moscow from 1924-1956 is a Stalinist. Ask your Leftist pals whether or not the Soviet invasion of Hungary in October 1956 was justified; ask them whether or not the suppression of the self-organized striking workers in East Berlin in 1953 was justified.
People who supported all that shit called themselves "progressives," and said they were fighting for "democratic rights" or some other sub-bourgeois bullshit. You can fight for democratic rights all you want, but you'll never be an anarchist or an authentic anti-state/anti-capitalist revolutionary. Democracy means the state, and progress means the continued domination of machines over people.
Not everyone who hates authoritarian leftism is a right winger.
And finally, the authors of the short blurb claiming responsibility for the act of artistic enhancement NEVER claimed to be anarchists. Go cry on somebody else's shoulder you creeps.
Who let the Frontpage Anarchists in?
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 6:49 AM
You guys destroyed everything vital about
anti-authoritarianism as a coherent movement after Seattle. Dipshit
scenesters and nutso anti-leftists. Look around you and see where you
are.
If anything, the Abraham Lincoln Brigades show that the American Party Line of "communism = Stalinism" is stupid propaganda for simple minds. I think this is police activity or it might as well be.
The Bridages fought fascism, fought Franco and Hitler and received arms from the Soviet Union. The communists were the only ones who organized support for the Spanish Republic and that's just a fact.
So blow it out your ass. Nobody will sign their name to this action, you hide behind the name "anarchist" like it means anything more than the hateful words you preach.
I honor the men who fought in Spain, and I honor the communists of that time who put fact to the promise of international brotherhood instead of nationalism, fear and hate. Not one anarchist group will go on record supporting these kinds of sectarian habits because people are better than this, bother to read history beyond anarchist glory tracts and really want to fight this government not the ghosts in their head.
Sign your name. Or be considered a cointelpro pig.
If anything, the Abraham Lincoln Brigades show that the American Party Line of "communism = Stalinism" is stupid propaganda for simple minds. I think this is police activity or it might as well be.
The Bridages fought fascism, fought Franco and Hitler and received arms from the Soviet Union. The communists were the only ones who organized support for the Spanish Republic and that's just a fact.
So blow it out your ass. Nobody will sign their name to this action, you hide behind the name "anarchist" like it means anything more than the hateful words you preach.
I honor the men who fought in Spain, and I honor the communists of that time who put fact to the promise of international brotherhood instead of nationalism, fear and hate. Not one anarchist group will go on record supporting these kinds of sectarian habits because people are better than this, bother to read history beyond anarchist glory tracts and really want to fight this government not the ghosts in their head.
Sign your name. Or be considered a cointelpro pig.
Next time we will shoot first
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 7:10 AM
Haha, yeah, Yeah, your individual anecdote
about Emma Goldman being allowed into the soviet union sure disproves
everything the stalinists ever did against the anarchists. Or maybe
not. Its all in your head kids, nothing to see here, everything was
good, and everything is good now. Lets forget our history and fight
together again. No. Never again. We have nothing in common. We fight
for the end of capitalism. You fight for your partys managment of
capitalism. Your fight is not ours. You are our enemy.
blah blah blah
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 7:37 AM
Typical fake anarchism. Act out historical dramas and identity games in self-righteous frenzy. You are the disease.
Will this "anarchist" be attacking the state? Bet not, that involves real risk and a real fight. No, instead this jerkoff replays cardboard theatrics of 70-year old fights and right-wing histrionics that make socialism the crime of the century.
Why don't you just skip the whole anarchist thing and go right to the fascist stage that's just brewing inside your murder fantasies?
I think you want to be hated, because you hate people, and when you are disdained for the authoritarian games you play in attacking people and spreading defensiveness and misery – you think yourself all the better for not being one of the stupid masses. So tiresome. I'd think this was a 15-year old confused, but I suspect its a freak who goes back and forth between Debord's wanking and Orwell's propaganda and thinks he really knows something.
Oh, another fact: this was done by a man with a major stick up his ass. For some reason, women are never prone to this kind of jeroff stuff.
Will this "anarchist" be attacking the state? Bet not, that involves real risk and a real fight. No, instead this jerkoff replays cardboard theatrics of 70-year old fights and right-wing histrionics that make socialism the crime of the century.
Why don't you just skip the whole anarchist thing and go right to the fascist stage that's just brewing inside your murder fantasies?
I think you want to be hated, because you hate people, and when you are disdained for the authoritarian games you play in attacking people and spreading defensiveness and misery – you think yourself all the better for not being one of the stupid masses. So tiresome. I'd think this was a 15-year old confused, but I suspect its a freak who goes back and forth between Debord's wanking and Orwell's propaganda and thinks he really knows something.
Oh, another fact: this was done by a man with a major stick up his ass. For some reason, women are never prone to this kind of jeroff stuff.
The ALB were volunteers for socialist totalitarianism
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 7:53 AM
First, let get things straight. The ALB were not "premature anti-fascists." This is a myth concocted by members of the ALB:
http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/antifascism-klehrhaynes-1913
They were actually de-facto "pro-fascists" while Stalin and Hitler had their non-alignment pact. Stalin was not anti-fascist until after Nazi forces invaded the USSR. Prior to that moment the greatest enemy (according to the Stalinists) was liberalism and social democracy or "social fascism" in COMINTERN speak.
Second, it's a shame Bay Area anarchists engage in these sorts of meaningless symbolic actions while, at the same time, failing to confront the Stalinists in the streets. Where are the Carlo Trescas of today?
Third, why is vandalism so readily dismissed as "COINTELPRO" activity. It might be juvenile but many militants are juvenile.
"I would have fought, just like the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought. So would 99% of the people who read Indybay."
Yes, but there were more brigades than the ALB or other "International Brigades" controlled by the USSR. Most anarchists/libertarian socialists did not serve with the Stalinist International Brigades. For example the POUM and CNT-FAI had their own militias.
All of this information is well documented in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade Archives (ALBA) at NYU. One incredibly valuable resource is the microfilmed records of the International Brigades that were taken to the Soviet Union after the Spanish Civil War. These records list eye/hair color, etc. as well as political affiliation, was the volunteer a communist, a "good party member," etc.
The ALB were volunteers for socialist totalitarianism.
http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/antifascism-klehrhaynes-1913
They were actually de-facto "pro-fascists" while Stalin and Hitler had their non-alignment pact. Stalin was not anti-fascist until after Nazi forces invaded the USSR. Prior to that moment the greatest enemy (according to the Stalinists) was liberalism and social democracy or "social fascism" in COMINTERN speak.
Second, it's a shame Bay Area anarchists engage in these sorts of meaningless symbolic actions while, at the same time, failing to confront the Stalinists in the streets. Where are the Carlo Trescas of today?
Third, why is vandalism so readily dismissed as "COINTELPRO" activity. It might be juvenile but many militants are juvenile.
"I would have fought, just like the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought. So would 99% of the people who read Indybay."
Yes, but there were more brigades than the ALB or other "International Brigades" controlled by the USSR. Most anarchists/libertarian socialists did not serve with the Stalinist International Brigades. For example the POUM and CNT-FAI had their own militias.
All of this information is well documented in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade Archives (ALBA) at NYU. One incredibly valuable resource is the microfilmed records of the International Brigades that were taken to the Soviet Union after the Spanish Civil War. These records list eye/hair color, etc. as well as political affiliation, was the volunteer a communist, a "good party member," etc.
The ALB were volunteers for socialist totalitarianism.
"juvenile"
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 8:05 AM
If this effort was "juvenile' why do the
Stalinist zeros shit themselves so enthusiastically over it? This
sounds like Lenin calling authentic revolutionaries an "infantile
disorder." The message has clearly struck an intended nerve.
Stalinism is counter-revolutionary, just like fascism and parliamentary democracy. Stalinists were and are the enemy in any credible revolutionary struggle. Authentic revolutionary struggles,like in Spain in the 1930's, show that no quarter can be offer to the politics of capital, in this case in a fake left-wing form.
Stalinism is counter-revolutionary, just like fascism and parliamentary democracy. Stalinists were and are the enemy in any credible revolutionary struggle. Authentic revolutionary struggles,like in Spain in the 1930's, show that no quarter can be offer to the politics of capital, in this case in a fake left-wing form.
Enemies? Speak for yourself
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 8:06 AM
"You fight for your partys managment of capitalism. Your fight is not ours. You are our enemy."
If you say so, but who is this royal "we" you speak on behalf of? And what world do you live in where me (or whoever) is fighting for "my party's management of capital?" I guess you're the type of anarchist who thinks the FDA and OSHA are authoritarian plots.
But I'll take you're word for it that we're enemies. What's you name, and I'll make sure to not try and cooperate or anything. Oh, that's right. You're a coward looking to stoke attacks between opponents of the REAL government and the REAL state... in other words you are a pig or so deranged you might as well be.
Stupid cointelpro tricks don't work anymore. No one will think this action represents anarchists. Your hateful rhetoric shows you for what you are.
If you say so, but who is this royal "we" you speak on behalf of? And what world do you live in where me (or whoever) is fighting for "my party's management of capital?" I guess you're the type of anarchist who thinks the FDA and OSHA are authoritarian plots.
But I'll take you're word for it that we're enemies. What's you name, and I'll make sure to not try and cooperate or anything. Oh, that's right. You're a coward looking to stoke attacks between opponents of the REAL government and the REAL state... in other words you are a pig or so deranged you might as well be.
Stupid cointelpro tricks don't work anymore. No one will think this action represents anarchists. Your hateful rhetoric shows you for what you are.
anarchists and Neo-cons...?
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 8:13 AM
"First, let get things straight. The ALB were not "premature anti-fascists." This is a myth concocted by members of the ALB: http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/antifascism-klehrhaynes-1913"
Sure, just keep in mind that the New Criterion is one of the main Neocon cultural journals, written and edited specifically to enforce a hard right-wing agenda and force communists, socialists and anyone who threatened US imperialism out of public life. Their whole argument, which this Horowitzian anarchist has bought hood-line-and-sinker is that any progressive agenda is a really a mask for "totalitarianism" and so on.
In other words, this kind of ideological bullying is exactly what Stalinism looks like, though in this case it wears an anarcho-liberal veneer.
Some people fight fascists, others, well – their actions speak plainly enough.
Visit this memorial and read the words on it. Then get back to me about "Stalinism". It seems this person thinks everyone on earth is an enemy. Put another way, I'd like to hear about what they are doing to bring this "real" and "authentic" revolution into being....
...but we won't hear jack about that because this is cop/cointelpro behavior.
Sure, just keep in mind that the New Criterion is one of the main Neocon cultural journals, written and edited specifically to enforce a hard right-wing agenda and force communists, socialists and anyone who threatened US imperialism out of public life. Their whole argument, which this Horowitzian anarchist has bought hood-line-and-sinker is that any progressive agenda is a really a mask for "totalitarianism" and so on.
In other words, this kind of ideological bullying is exactly what Stalinism looks like, though in this case it wears an anarcho-liberal veneer.
Some people fight fascists, others, well – their actions speak plainly enough.
Visit this memorial and read the words on it. Then get back to me about "Stalinism". It seems this person thinks everyone on earth is an enemy. Put another way, I'd like to hear about what they are doing to bring this "real" and "authentic" revolution into being....
...but we won't hear jack about that because this is cop/cointelpro behavior.
delusion vs. reality check
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 9:02 AM
Aww, did i destroy your attempt to smooth
over history and create a artificial "unity" between people who have
nothing in common? My bad.
I live in the real world, thank you very much. And if you actually believe all your own lies, you live in revisionist world, equal to the nazis denying the holocaust.
You guys are so deluded, so cornered, that you are forced to believe your own deluded fantasies about the stalinist movement and the horrible consequences it has brought to this world. Noooo, its all rightwing, mchartyist propaganda! As if nohting has happened since then. As if nothing exists outside stalinism, and everyone who criticise them are rightwing provocateurs. As if criticism of stalinism has its base in the reactionary society of the fifthies!
Who is being devisive here.
I live in the real world, thank you very much. And if you actually believe all your own lies, you live in revisionist world, equal to the nazis denying the holocaust.
You guys are so deluded, so cornered, that you are forced to believe your own deluded fantasies about the stalinist movement and the horrible consequences it has brought to this world. Noooo, its all rightwing, mchartyist propaganda! As if nohting has happened since then. As if nothing exists outside stalinism, and everyone who criticise them are rightwing provocateurs. As if criticism of stalinism has its base in the reactionary society of the fifthies!
Who is being devisive here.
say one thing for the stalinists...
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 10:59 AM
They kicked your monkey asses.
Anyone who thinks the people who fought Franco betrayed the anarchists is missing something important. This guy is just like those "anarchits" – and that's why they were supressed. The anarchists were totally disorganized, narrow, localist and stupid. They demanded guns from the Soviet Union, which they got – and they still cry about it.
Spain was the best the anarchits ever had it, and they acted like this fool, attacked their allies and ended up sabotaging the anti-fascist war so that Franco won.
Fucking idiots. The one good news is that they always, always, always lose. That's all they do. Anarchism is being a loser and then blaming the winners for your own pathetic existence.
No communist in the USA has done anything to stop anarchists. But they still run around crying persecution. It's a mental disorder. They attack, they defame, and then have the nerve to act like they are victims.
There's no such thing as an anarchist movement. This is the proof.
Anyone who thinks the people who fought Franco betrayed the anarchists is missing something important. This guy is just like those "anarchits" – and that's why they were supressed. The anarchists were totally disorganized, narrow, localist and stupid. They demanded guns from the Soviet Union, which they got – and they still cry about it.
Spain was the best the anarchits ever had it, and they acted like this fool, attacked their allies and ended up sabotaging the anti-fascist war so that Franco won.
Fucking idiots. The one good news is that they always, always, always lose. That's all they do. Anarchism is being a loser and then blaming the winners for your own pathetic existence.
No communist in the USA has done anything to stop anarchists. But they still run around crying persecution. It's a mental disorder. They attack, they defame, and then have the nerve to act like they are victims.
There's no such thing as an anarchist movement. This is the proof.
Uh oh, temper, temper!
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 11:29 AM
Yeah, the anarchists sabotaged the
stalinists attempt to save democracy and capitalism from the big bad
communist revolution. How bad of them. Doesnt this belief once and for
all demonstrate the reactionary nature of these tendencies? Doesnt that
say it all about their goals and aspirations? I think so.
Very creative way of describing the events from burningman by the way. This is what the stalinists are best at: re-inventing history. This is another great example of this.
And ofcourse anyone who doesnt buy the stalinist party-line is now a insane. First we were rightwinger, cointepro. But when that doesnt work they use the old accusation of insanity. Anything to discredit the messanger from what s/he is saying. Can you smell the panic, folks?
Very creative way of describing the events from burningman by the way. This is what the stalinists are best at: re-inventing history. This is another great example of this.
And ofcourse anyone who doesnt buy the stalinist party-line is now a insane. First we were rightwinger, cointepro. But when that doesnt work they use the old accusation of insanity. Anything to discredit the messanger from what s/he is saying. Can you smell the panic, folks?
The Party Line in America is anti-communism
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 11:47 AM
Reducing every progressive cause in the
20th century to "stalinism" is exactly the trick that the far-right
enforced in America when it fired every communist teacher, artist,
worker, unionist who wouldn't become a snitch... like Orwell.
The idea that Stalinists run San Francisco is hilarious. The cowardice of these fake anarchists is plain.
Fight the state or shut the fuck up.
The idea that Stalinists run San Francisco is hilarious. The cowardice of these fake anarchists is plain.
Fight the state or shut the fuck up.
Sepaking of the real world
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 11:51 AM
Most people in the real world (outside of
your stalinist sects) consider your "great wins" as terrible,
horrendous losses. Thats why the workingclass is in the sad state that
it is right now. Thanks alot, jerkoffs.
Stalinists and fascists
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 11:56 AM
In the Spanish Civil War, as in many other
places, there was no qualitative difference between the Stalinists and
fascists. They were murderous enemies of the revolutionary movement,
and they had to be violently destroyed.
here's a foot in your asses, Stalinist scum.
here's a foot in your asses, Stalinist scum.
cop/freeper – definitely
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 12:54 PM
There's no foot in anybody's ass. You're a smack-talking fool and nobody is buying.
There was a difference between democracy and fascism in Spain.
There is a difference. If you don't get it, or you think there were millions of people there who thought like this, then you would be mistaken.
There was an election, the Social Democrats won, the fascist revolted, and a popular front united around a program of democracy was launched. It included anarchists and everyone. You can't change that fact.
You are also so obviously a white boy who can't tell the difference between the program of white supremacy that Hitler, Roosevelt and Churchill all agreed on... and the internationalism and brotherhood that the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought for.
There's no argument – you are a coward who hides behind a flag, picking fights you can't back up. Nobody else wants to play so you threaten murder. Knock yourself out. There are no "stalinists", and even if there were you're obviously afraid to fight anyone with actual power. That's why you don't go after the state or your boss or whatever.
Yellow bastard, fake anarchist. I smell cointelpro.
There was a difference between democracy and fascism in Spain.
There is a difference. If you don't get it, or you think there were millions of people there who thought like this, then you would be mistaken.
There was an election, the Social Democrats won, the fascist revolted, and a popular front united around a program of democracy was launched. It included anarchists and everyone. You can't change that fact.
You are also so obviously a white boy who can't tell the difference between the program of white supremacy that Hitler, Roosevelt and Churchill all agreed on... and the internationalism and brotherhood that the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought for.
There's no argument – you are a coward who hides behind a flag, picking fights you can't back up. Nobody else wants to play so you threaten murder. Knock yourself out. There are no "stalinists", and even if there were you're obviously afraid to fight anyone with actual power. That's why you don't go after the state or your boss or whatever.
Yellow bastard, fake anarchist. I smell cointelpro.
revision
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 1:23 PM
There you go again. You stalinists cant help but re-inventing history, can you? Creepy.
who are these stalinists?
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 1:52 PM
I've never met one, but apparently this obsessive-compulsive sociopath thinks they are everywhere.
Fight racism? Stalinist!
Stand up for a democracy in spain in the face of a fascist military coup? Stalinist!
Think people who disagree should still try to find common ground? Stalinist!
So the people who fight fascists are bad, because Stalinists are bad, but the kind of dope who spraypaints a memorial to people who sacrificed their lives fighting fascism in a volunteer army are the bad guys?
You are either a cop, a sociopath or a shut-in. You are a fake anarchist. You're cointelpro. You want people to get wrapped up in sick, hateful head trips.
Unity, brotherhood – and the good fight. I won't let the neo-con/Horowitz/fake anarchist dingbats confuse the issues, now or in history.
And seriously, George Orwell was a snitch who turned leftist intellectuals and writers over to British intelligence.
But I bet you already knew that and like him all the more. People who love snitching should sign their name so they are known for what they are.
But NOBODY has signed their name to support this attack. Not one person. Because nobody does support it and you are a coward who hides behind a flag. Chump.
Fight racism? Stalinist!
Stand up for a democracy in spain in the face of a fascist military coup? Stalinist!
Think people who disagree should still try to find common ground? Stalinist!
So the people who fight fascists are bad, because Stalinists are bad, but the kind of dope who spraypaints a memorial to people who sacrificed their lives fighting fascism in a volunteer army are the bad guys?
You are either a cop, a sociopath or a shut-in. You are a fake anarchist. You're cointelpro. You want people to get wrapped up in sick, hateful head trips.
Unity, brotherhood – and the good fight. I won't let the neo-con/Horowitz/fake anarchist dingbats confuse the issues, now or in history.
And seriously, George Orwell was a snitch who turned leftist intellectuals and writers over to British intelligence.
But I bet you already knew that and like him all the more. People who love snitching should sign their name so they are known for what they are.
But NOBODY has signed their name to support this attack. Not one person. Because nobody does support it and you are a coward who hides behind a flag. Chump.
kevin keating vandalized this memorial to anti-fascism
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 2:27 PM
Watch yourself. Just because your nuts doesn't mean your activities won't catch up with you. Word is out.
Advice: leave the city and keep your mouth shut for a while.
For those who don't know obscure ephemera of the Bay Area, Kevin Keating is an obsessive who attacks other people regularly... for years. He's a random fanatic and is liable to let his mouth overload his ass. Nobody important, lonely and kind of pathetic. Acts out to get attention. Not a teenager. Previously involved with advocacy of attacking "yuppies" who could be identified by possessing cell phones. He also sabotaged activist efforts around a proposed Muni fare strike.
Those who have dealt with him believe that he is also a police agent. Everywhere he's gone, he's been chased out under suspicion of collaboration with police.
Advice: leave the city and keep your mouth shut for a while.
For those who don't know obscure ephemera of the Bay Area, Kevin Keating is an obsessive who attacks other people regularly... for years. He's a random fanatic and is liable to let his mouth overload his ass. Nobody important, lonely and kind of pathetic. Acts out to get attention. Not a teenager. Previously involved with advocacy of attacking "yuppies" who could be identified by possessing cell phones. He also sabotaged activist efforts around a proposed Muni fare strike.
Those who have dealt with him believe that he is also a police agent. Everywhere he's gone, he's been chased out under suspicion of collaboration with police.
Press repeat
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 3:07 PM
Oh my god, you guys are starting to sound
like a broken record. You know, you can repeat it as much as you like -
it still wont be true. Funny how some stalinist poliruck like
burningman says something, and then all you fools just repeat what he
says over and over again. I guess the stalinists got a tighter grip on
the leftist ghetto than even i thought.
Yawn, you are starting to bore me.
Yawn, you are starting to bore me.
But then again..
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 3:13 PM
But its most likely just burningman and
his friends writing all these posts to make it look like many diffrent
people. That would be my guess actually.
did it ever cross your mind...
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 4:19 PM
...that maybe the points Burnigman makes are true? At least about this.
besides
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 4:23 PM
I get my orders from the International Communist Conspiracy.
"Pretend to fight fascists so you can make zine collectors use Microsoft products".
I must obey.
"Pretend to fight fascists so you can make zine collectors use Microsoft products".
I must obey.
claims and counterclaims and counterintelligenceprograms
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 7:46 PM
Hold your tongues for just one second (insert appropriate insult here)!
First and foremost, the people who vandalized the memorial to Stalinists (whether out and proud or dupes) have NEVER EVER claimed to be anarchists. So all the insults about "fake anarchist" this and "fake anarchist" that are plain stupid and DISHONEST. Get your insults straight.
Any time somebody does or says something an authoritarian leftist disapproves of, and who then cannot come up with any coherent argument about why it makes him cry, that steel-minded leftist will immediately cry "cointelpro!" Why? Because it ends all possibility of discussion (heated or polite). The authoritarian leftists know that authentic discussions will expose their duplicity, brutality, and dishonesty for all to see, so they shun it as if it were some medieval plague. Orwell knew this, and portrayed it quite well in "1984," which all aspiring authoritarian leftists should read in order to bone up on their manipulative bullshit.
The idea that anyone or anything could be positive for humanity and not be under their control makes them nuts, as can be seen from the tone of the so-called conversations here. You know who you are.
And a goofy footnote, for the real world activoid: why do you have such a hard-on for persons unknown to admit to a crime? Sounds like a cop tactic to me. Baiting persons unknown with the charge of cowardice in the hopes that a macho response/admission will be forthcoming. It won't, but keep banging on that tired drum if it makes you feel better. Why don't you sign your name to your posts? There's nothing either illegal OR dangerous in them, so what's your excuse?
First and foremost, the people who vandalized the memorial to Stalinists (whether out and proud or dupes) have NEVER EVER claimed to be anarchists. So all the insults about "fake anarchist" this and "fake anarchist" that are plain stupid and DISHONEST. Get your insults straight.
Any time somebody does or says something an authoritarian leftist disapproves of, and who then cannot come up with any coherent argument about why it makes him cry, that steel-minded leftist will immediately cry "cointelpro!" Why? Because it ends all possibility of discussion (heated or polite). The authoritarian leftists know that authentic discussions will expose their duplicity, brutality, and dishonesty for all to see, so they shun it as if it were some medieval plague. Orwell knew this, and portrayed it quite well in "1984," which all aspiring authoritarian leftists should read in order to bone up on their manipulative bullshit.
The idea that anyone or anything could be positive for humanity and not be under their control makes them nuts, as can be seen from the tone of the so-called conversations here. You know who you are.
And a goofy footnote, for the real world activoid: why do you have such a hard-on for persons unknown to admit to a crime? Sounds like a cop tactic to me. Baiting persons unknown with the charge of cowardice in the hopes that a macho response/admission will be forthcoming. It won't, but keep banging on that tired drum if it makes you feel better. Why don't you sign your name to your posts? There's nothing either illegal OR dangerous in them, so what's your excuse?
"deduction faction..."
Wednesday Jul 23rd, 2008 8:00 PM
If what you say has any credibility, why
do you pull this cowardly stunts while hiding behind a fake name? If
this guy is the bad news you make him out to be, show that you have the
honesty and integrity to openly proclaim it. Stick up for what you
believe in.
You won't because you are a cowardly worm and wannabe police snitch, and you prove it with this.
You won't because you are a cowardly worm and wannabe police snitch, and you prove it with this.
Kevin Keating, et. al
Thursday Jul 24th, 2008 6:38 AM
This was an attack on a monument to
democracy, internationalism and anti-fascism. Kevin Keating most likely
did this, and nobody really cares. But because it was such an awful
thing to do, apologists will hide behind fake names and right-wing,
McCarthyite propaganda to act like they did something brave.
Go fight the state. No, you won't. Because you are cowards and reactionaries.
Thousands of Americans volunteered to fight fascism in Spain on the eve of WW2. Many of them were committed communists, and they should be honored for the service they provided. Many gave their lives. This nutjob who spouts every right-wing lie and distortion of what the communist movement is and was are no threat to anyone save themselves.
It very much seems like Kevin Keating, who has denounced and attacked every political group in the Bay and previously urged physical attacks on "Yuppies" instead of "Stalinists". How could these yuppies be identified? According to Keating the use cell phones.
Starting to get the picture?
Go fight the state. No, you won't. Because you are cowards and reactionaries.
Thousands of Americans volunteered to fight fascism in Spain on the eve of WW2. Many of them were committed communists, and they should be honored for the service they provided. Many gave their lives. This nutjob who spouts every right-wing lie and distortion of what the communist movement is and was are no threat to anyone save themselves.
It very much seems like Kevin Keating, who has denounced and attacked every political group in the Bay and previously urged physical attacks on "Yuppies" instead of "Stalinists". How could these yuppies be identified? According to Keating the use cell phones.
Starting to get the picture?
read the words on the memorial
Thursday Jul 24th, 2008 6:40 AM
You'll start to see what this vandal hates: international solidarity, anti-fascism, commitment to democracy.
Just read the words he painted over with his ode to a police snitch.
Just read the words he painted over with his ode to a police snitch.
hogwash words
Thursday Jul 24th, 2008 7:37 AM
Well anyone can talk about "international
solidarity", "anti-fascism", "commitmen to democracy" (in relation to a
burning social revolution, mind you!), and yadda yadda. Bush can say
that. What matters are their actions.
The words at the memorial is irrelevant.
The words at the memorial is irrelevant.
keating never called for physical attacks on yuppies
Thursday Jul 24th, 2008 8:09 AM
Go look it up on his web site.
Dr. Feel has to lie to back up his crap politics. No surprise there.
Dr. Feel has to lie to back up his crap politics. No surprise there.
empty words
Thursday Jul 24th, 2008 10:03 AM
"You'll start to see what this vandal hates: international solidarity, anti-fascism, commitment to democracy."
You'll start to see what the anti-vandals hate: false internationalism, stalinism, commitment to the extension of capitalism. Allow me to explain, and I'll use small words so even the most dense popular frontist can get it. The supposed international solidarity promoted by the Comintern was completely dependent on the foreign policy directives of the CPSU leadership (viz. Stalin)--they twisted and turned month by month on some occasions. For several years, until 1935 with the adoption of the Popular Front strategy (usually attributed to Comintern chief Dimitrov), the Comintern policy was to fight primarily against what they called Social Fascists: social democrats and liberals. When it became clear that this policy was alienating too many from the Soviet cause, the Comintern did a 180, and the Popular Front strategy explicitly wooed and courted those exact same "social fascists": social democrats and liberals in a "progressive" front against fascism. That is what "anti-fascism" means: collaboration with the class enemies of workers to struggle against what the Comintern bosses decided was a greater enemy. Anti-capitalism was put on the back burner (if it had ever really been part of the Comintern project in the first place), as was any action that could be considered revolutionary or subversive of Western European and American democracy. The CPUSA slogan during that time was "Communism is 100% Americanism." Disgusting. The peddling of pure Stalinism (circa 1936) as some kind of relevant 21st century activist strategy is as absurd as it is dishonest and manipulative. Why dishonest and manipulative? Because it relies on the same vague, feel-good (Dr Fill indeed!), unexamined slogans of American liberalism and social democracy. But they are our allies right? What a bad joke.
You'll start to see what the anti-vandals hate: false internationalism, stalinism, commitment to the extension of capitalism. Allow me to explain, and I'll use small words so even the most dense popular frontist can get it. The supposed international solidarity promoted by the Comintern was completely dependent on the foreign policy directives of the CPSU leadership (viz. Stalin)--they twisted and turned month by month on some occasions. For several years, until 1935 with the adoption of the Popular Front strategy (usually attributed to Comintern chief Dimitrov), the Comintern policy was to fight primarily against what they called Social Fascists: social democrats and liberals. When it became clear that this policy was alienating too many from the Soviet cause, the Comintern did a 180, and the Popular Front strategy explicitly wooed and courted those exact same "social fascists": social democrats and liberals in a "progressive" front against fascism. That is what "anti-fascism" means: collaboration with the class enemies of workers to struggle against what the Comintern bosses decided was a greater enemy. Anti-capitalism was put on the back burner (if it had ever really been part of the Comintern project in the first place), as was any action that could be considered revolutionary or subversive of Western European and American democracy. The CPUSA slogan during that time was "Communism is 100% Americanism." Disgusting. The peddling of pure Stalinism (circa 1936) as some kind of relevant 21st century activist strategy is as absurd as it is dishonest and manipulative. Why dishonest and manipulative? Because it relies on the same vague, feel-good (Dr Fill indeed!), unexamined slogans of American liberalism and social democracy. But they are our allies right? What a bad joke.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Joe McGuire <proletaire2003@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Stalinist Spanish Civil War Artwork Vandalized on San Francisco's Embarcadero
Direct Action to commemorate the beginning of the Spanish Civil War the right way...
July 19th is the anniversary of the beginning of the Spanish Civil War in 1936 -- the beginning of the last attempt at an anti-capitalist revolution in the period of revolutions beginning in Mexico in 1915 and accelerating after the Russian Revolution of 1917. The revolutionary movement in Spain was defeated by a counter-revolution spearheaded by the Stalinist Soviet Union and it's global puppets, and the events of the war have been successfully lied about ever since by Stalinist and liberal public relations hacks. (See George Orwell's stirring and brilliant 'Homage to Catalonia' for the best brief introduction in English to the events surrounding the revolution and counter-revolution during the civil war in Spain.)
A public art work celebrating the role played by the Abraham Lincoln Battalion, the US dupes of and cannon fodder for the Stalinist counter-revolution in Spain from 1936 to 1939, was dedicated this past May on San Francisco's Embarcadero, behind the fountain on Justin Herman Plaza at the foot of Market Street.
Sometime this past week, some person or persons unknown gave this monument to one of the big lies of 20th century history an appropriate makeover. The Stalinist art work was grafittied with the message, "Viva Durruti Y Orwell," in what appears to be red and black spray paint.
Workers Memory Project
Photos (and foam-flecked Staliniod and milk-sop liberal commentary) can be seen here:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/07/21/18518486.php
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