Re: [AUT] Hardt interview

["Tahir Wood" <twood@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Nate

Good to hear from you. My comment was kind of tongue in cheek, but you
picked up that it was making a semi-serious point as well. But no I'm
not saying what 'we' should be discussing because I really have no idea
who or what 'we' are at this point. But I stay subbed because, like you,
I did once learn a lot from people on this list and I have very good
memories of the Harald, Chris, etc. period. So much so that when the
strong 'pomo turn' happened it took me by surprise. I haven't exactly
made a secret of my dislike for that kind of thing, although I have
learned the futility of engaging with it on any polemical level. The
kind of satirical remark that I made and which you have now responded
too, is about as far as I go these days, even though the politically
debilitating effects of the kinds of academic postmodernism that I saw
on this list at one stage are pretty obvious to me. 

I still have very robust debates elsewhere with Chris, who is now
pretty anti-autonomia, unlike myself - I just don't like the pomo side
of it. So yeah, no more name calling, but on the other hand no apologies
either.

Take care
Tahir

>>> "Nate Holdren" <nateholdren@xxxxxxxxx> 04/17/07 5:42 PM >>>
hi Tahir,

It's pretty clear to anyone who has been on here a while that the list
has declined majorly. When I first was on here, Chris Wright and
others were on here who were very active and came from a general left
communist perspective with interests in Hegel and Hegelians. The next
wave was people of a more anarchist bent and people interested in
Deleuze and Negri etc in a philosophical way. Along the way
discussions of world and movement events and events in people's own
workplaces (the latter was never much of a topic) came up as stuff
came up in the world off list. After Steve Wright, Angela Mitropolous,
and Thiago Oppermann signed off the list went down in a big way
compared to before and hasn't ever recovered.

At the same time, for as long as I can remember people have
periodically posted things like you are here, saying basically "this
list isn't doing what it should be doing, let's talk about something
else" without much of a suggestion of what that something else should
be. That's never worked as far as I can recall. Unfortunately even
when people have made suggestions of specific stuff there's often not
enough of a critical mass of people with time and energy. The good
conversations that have happened on here (I'm sure you remember, there
used to some really good ones, I know I learned a ton from aut-op-sy,
my political perspective would be much much worse has this list never
existed) have sort of just happened. Personally, I don't see that as
very likely at least in the near future.

To be honest, though, I prefer aut-op-sy as it is now to some of the
ugly name calling that's happened on the list before, said name
calling being a big part of why many of the better members of the list
have left on multiple occasions.

take care,
Nate



On 4/17/07, Tahir Wood <twood@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> >>> Thomas Seay <entheogens@xxxxxxxxx> 04/17/07 1:13 AM >>>
>  After all, at this point, let's face it, anything that is written
is
> as good as anything else
>
> How about that? I thought I was the only one who had identified this
> tendency of this list. I feel entirely vindicated now, after all
this
> time.
> Tahir
>
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