Re: AUT: Negri and Charleton Heston?

[Tom Messmer <messmer@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Um... before i even try to go back and read through this thread, will
someone needs to explain why the topic heading is "Negri and Charleton
Heston?..." Is there some sort of Soilent Green/Planet of the Apes
connection I'm missing here, or what now?



On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Nate Holdren wrote:

> hey Lowe-
> quick questions-
>
> first, given that practically speaking the guaranteed wage can only
> come from the state, how does the global citizenship demand play out
> in connection with this? It seems to me it can either be just
> agitational (ie, not a real demand that one expects to be met but
> rather a recompositional tactic, something to stir up 'the masses') or
> it has to an implicit call for global government. Setting aside the
> politics of either position for the moment, does this seem like a fair
> assessment?
>
> second,
> you quote Chris:
>
>> Since Negri scraps negation and dialectic, he can only be trapped in a
>> dualism of "multitude as whole class' and 'multitude as subject'.
>
> Then you write:
>
> "Where is the "trap"? Or rather what is the significance of this idea
> of "multitude as a whole"? It is simply constant capital. There is no
> trap there, it doesn't end with what it accomplished at some point in
> the past, with dead labor. I don't see why one would need to "negate"
> anything to make use of constant capital... for the multitude to be
> defined as "subject"."
>
> WHat does the 'it' in 'it is simply constant capital' refer to? In
> other words, what are you saying is constant capital? The multitude?
> If so, how is the multitude constant capital? As I understand it the
> way the terms get used, the multitude is variable capital/labor power.
>
> take care,
> Nate
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:43:30 +0100, Lowe Laclau
> <lowe.laclau@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Both Negri and the movement link the demand for a "social wage"
>>>
>>> I don't see how that could be provided by anything but a state. Do
>>> aut's have a position on that?
>>>
>>> Doug
>>
>> Theoretically it doesn't require a state... as the state acts as a
>> mediator, the means of institutionalizing the varieties of waged
>> labor. As a practical matter, it is still the only viable immediate
>> way of doing it on a mass scale.
>>
>> Negri's position as I've understood it is not to let this lie simply
>> in terms of nation-state mediation. National division is of absolutely
>> no help to the global working classes... Thats why he always couples
>> this issue with the global citizenship thing.
>>
>> I was looking through a book recently by an American author (I assume)
>> Richard Duncan "The Dollar Crisis". He also includes a brief chapter
>> on the "guaranteed wage" as one of the few viable alternatives to
>> resolving the impending economic crisis the world will face if the
>> global demand issue is not resolved. So it seems to me this campaign
>> for this wage is by now being taken seriously by all different types
>> of scholars.
>>
>> Lowe
>>
>>
>>
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