Re: AUT: Backward workers, was: Negri and Charleton Heston?

[Martin Hardie <hardie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thiago

 I am gonna buy into this a little off the cuff ...

Lowe asked you to develop this "shared values" thing - you haven't and I it
seems now this bacward workers line is one of flight from Lowe.

Waggyarekon can you tell us about this cultural thingy and shared  vales?

i sort of get H&N and others eg Lazarato as being "Against" any cultural
thingy as any seperate topic.

Obrigadoatamanha

Martinhu



 On Monday 29 Nov 2004 22:05, Thiago Oppermann wrote:
> On 29/11/2004 11:55 PM, "Lowe Laclau" <lowe.laclau@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> I think this is further evidence of what I said earlier, that Negri (and
> >> Hardt) have very little idea of the actuality of the American working
> >> class, or perhaps they just ignore it. I think it is the later. It's
> >> probably not because of some stupidity on their part; it's just that
> >> they have abandoned the actual concept of economic class in favour of an
> >> essentially culturalist (and epistemically very conservative) concept of
> >> communal agency based on shared values.
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> > I'm not sure how you come to this statement when they so very clearly
> > address the multitude in terms of economic difference. There is
> > absolutely nothing "culturalist" (if I understand what you mean by
> > this) about the multitude. Where do you see them arguing for peoples'
> > holding on to cultural attachments and values? And where exactly do
> > you get this idea of "shared values"? I've never seen them write about
> > this stuff.
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> Why is it, then, that the multitude excludes 'backwards' workers - who are
> not defined in terms of the economic position, but due to X. What do you
> think X is? It's obviously values. It's not even very well thought out,
> because they have prevented themselves from thinking in these terms in an
> honest way.
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> I fail to see how you can think that forces such as Wal Mart do not
> recompose the capitalist organization. They reorganize capitalist
> distribution in important ways; they affect the fabric of little towns all
> over the place, displacing smaller capitalists, fomenting a whole cycle of
> ressentiment that I can't be bothered explaining again. They don't come up
> with new gadgets, it's true, but capitalism isn't about being clever, it's
> about being ruthless, and they are well fucking ruthless.
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> >> When they speak of multitudes, they repeat the venerable
> >> marxist trick of speaking of the true, self-realised, conscious working
> >> class, the real workers who are the agents of history.
> >
> > Are you still talking about H&N?
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> So Hardt was misrepresenting his own position in Doug's radio show?
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