Re: AUT: Re: Palestione, Israel...."ethnocratic liberalism"

[Michael Handelman <mhandelman1@xxxxxxxxx>]

I probably shouldn't comment on this, because my
knowledge of Israel-Palestine is quite weak, but I
think I can understand why comparisons with South
Africa, make some sense:


In Israel, there is Representive Democracy-but only if
you happen to be Jewish, this is different from Nazi
Germany, where there was no representive democracy,
but it is distinctly similar to Aparteid South Africa.


Someone has called this "ethnocratic liberalism", and
it seems to be one of the best ways (at least to me)
to describe Israel.


--- Ilan Shalif <gshalif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi People
> Due to the pro capitalist and pro imperialist
> politics of
> Stalinist Russia, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
> was
> miss presented.
>
> Till this day most of the "left" and the left are
> not really
> having it straight.
>
> To try to compare Apartheid South Africa to the
> naZionist
> settler colonialist project is entirely out of
> place.
>
> The naZionists brought with them from Europe the
> Racist
> colonialist ideology - very similar to the Nazist
> ideology
> and to settler colonialist of Europe in the American
> continent,
> and Australia.
>
> In South Africa and other colonies the European and
> US colonialists
> wanted first of all to exploit the indigenous
> people.
>
> In US, Australia and many other places the settler
> colonialists
> exterminated the indigenous people who were hard to
> exploit.
>
> Only the naZionists chose from the beginning not to
> exploit
> the Palestinians but to expel them (as extermination
> was not
> possible). Even the "leftists" among them used to
> say:
> "A country without nation to a nation without
> country".
>
> The present Israeli-Palestinian confrontation is the
> result
> of the domination in the Israeli elite of those who
> still
> wish to expel the Palestinians from the region West
> of the Jordan river.
>
> The emerging section of the elite which prefer to
> exploit the
> Palestinians over expulsion and the pragmatists that
> understand
> that the expulsion of the Palestinians is
> impossible, are still
> not strong enough.
>
> The present economic catastrophe may convince wider
> sections
> of the elite that compromise is the only viable
> option.
>
> The real left do not support any nationalist or
> stateist solution
> offered by Palestinians and Israelis.
>
> However, anarchists and their like are the most
> principled
> among the refusnics - especially the initiative of
> the high school graduates.
>
> Before any one else started to call for it in
> public, our
> libertarian communist Matspen was the only one
> demonstrating against the occupation.
>
> One can fight against the occupation and suppression
> in the 1967 occupied territories and against the
> harsh discrimination
> of the Palestinians who are Israeli citizens, with
> out supporting
> any stateist and nationalist solutions.
>
> Ilan
>
>
>
>
>
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