Re: re AUT: Seeking info on Negri and Fortunadi

["Laura Fiocco" <fiocco@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hey Chris
I do not know where you took such an idea of rifondazione. It is completly
wrong. The stalinist part that gather together with rifondazione when there
was the brake with CP got away a few years later. Now rifondazione is a
'movementist' party: the far left of the institutional party system and the
nearer to the left trade union organisation CGIL (which does not means it is
socialdemocrat.it is the part that push the union to fight).
Just to give you an idea, I think Bertinotti (the RC leader) is nearer to
John Holloway idea of comunism than to Lenin's.
Moreover, his function in getting out of what in Italy has been colled 'the
end of marxism' or 'the end of ideoligy' - which means the state, helped by
the Communist Party, repression of the movement and, with it, of union's
struggle - was, from the end of 80's, very important.
Also, consider that italian trotskyism is no more than a formula for
'internationalism', gathering in recent years few young people, it has never
been a real movement.
ciao laura

----- Original Message -----
From: "cwright" <cwright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: re AUT: Seeking info on Negri and Fortunadi


> Hey Steve,
>
> I quite literally meant "Stalinoid", not "Stalinist".  The latter means a
> direct appropriation of Stalin and Stalinism historically, whereas the
> latter for me means a kind of functioning and politics one might find in
> Stalinist parties, including People's Front kind of stuff and
Eurocommunist
> stuff, as well as tendencies critical of Stalinism but not of Leninism,
who
> function in a "Stalinoid" manner, such as Trotskyists.
>
> Of course, no one else in the universe prolly made the distinctions I was,
> so you are right to take it that way.  Quasi-Stalinism vs. Stalinism, I
> suppose.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ps I actually thought they had gone off from the 'right' of the CP, into
> social democratic territory.  This would be a more serious error on my
part
> if I am wrong, but you seem to confirm that they went into a kind of
Labour
> Party direction.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Wright" <pmargin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: re AUT: Seeking info on Negri and Fortunadi
>
>
> > thanks Alessandro!
> >
> > cwright wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the stuff on Negri, all!  Much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Its funny that Sanguinetti, Debord's old Italian colleague, was
> convinced
> > > from the beginning that not only were the crimes alleged to people
like
> > > Negri not perpetrated by them, but by the state and that the Red
> Brigades
> > > were heavily infiltrated if not outright controlled by the police.  Is
> > > Sanguinetti taking the argument too far?
> >
> > Sanguinetti's argument has always struck me as wrong-headed.
> >
> > Prompted by your questions, yesterday I had a look around the WWW with
> > Google for some references, and found, amongst other things, the
> > transcripts from 2000 of Piperno and Pace's appearance before an Italian
> > parliamentary commission into the Moro killing.
> >
> > They are quite long and entertaining to read, and part of the argument
> > by Pace is precisely against the notion that the BR were run by a
> > section of the state.
> >
> > Tthe URL I found was
> http://www.misteriditalia.com/casomoro/audizioni/audizioni.htm
> >
> > Now, this isn't the parliamentary site, so it's possible the transcripts
> > have been tampered with, but my gut feeling says not. And I think the
> > originals are online elsewhere if others want to check.
> >
> > It also seems that there is something to Abse's accusation that Pace
> > briefly flirted with the BR in late 1977.
> >
> > Finally, Chris I don't think it's accurate call Rifondazione stalinist.
> > It may have all sorts of faults - from my point of view, it's a party,
> > so that's a bad start in any case - but today it seems more like a
> > classic interwar centrist party like the SAPD, PSOE etc, with lots of
> > 'movementists' and all sorts of trotskyist (open) entrists ...
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
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