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Re: AUT: State capitalism?
- Subject: Re: AUT: State capitalism?
- From: "Battaglia comunista" <batcom@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:48:40 +0200
On 23 Jul 2002, at 21:21, Montyneill@xxxxxxx wrote:
> think the first argument that USSR was state capitalist was
> "Johnson-Forrest" (James and Dunayevskaya) tendency work -- eg State
> Capitalism and World Revolution by CLR James, a facing reality pamphlet,
> have
> no idea where it might be available.
>
> Monty
>
Probably, that's right for the Usa, but despite the diffused thought
that USA is the real world, is not for the ... rest of the world.
Even if they are not the inventors of the term, the comrades of the
Left Communist Fraction in the '30s are probably the first to
elaborate on it. Ther question was at that time (and only for
them)the following one: if the Russian state policy is counter
revolutionary and against the international interest of the working
class, what is the nature of the russia state? Unless the Russians
discovered and practiced a new type of mode of production, either
is socialism (more or less developing toward communism) or is
capitalism. And as a socialist society is not given with an anti
working class policy, that society is capitalist. Trotky , meanwhile,
was arguing about the burocracy..., avoiding the core question.
Why STATE capitalism? Because it was true that the classical
bourgeoisie, privately owning the means of production, did not
exist, the old comrades found in Engels (Anti During) the category
in which classify the Russian capital: state capitalism.
That notion was useful to categorize a substantially new hostorical
situation, the situation created by a proletarian revolution that
destroyed the old traditional bourgeois state, but which has been
defeated from the interior and in the name of... socialism. Had the
capitalist mode of production ever be destroyed in Russia? No.
Thus the material, objective reality of Russia prevailed on the
subjective element represented by the vanguard of the working
class, decimated in the Civil War. Stalin has been the
representative of new collective interests, outside and against the
working class, infiltraded inside the party of the working class.
The funny thing is that the development of the conditions for the
"state capitalism in Russia" has been best and most completely
described by a non communist: E.H Carr.
Maybe its work is too big for beeing readable by most people: but
the best description of the establishing of state capitalism in
Russia and of the degeneration of the Komintern is the Carr's work.
IG
mauro jr.
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- Re: AUT: State capitalism?, (continued)
- Re: AUT: State capitalism?,
Tahir Wood Wed 24 Jul 2002, 07:13 GMT
- Re: AUT: State capitalism?,
Harald Beyer-Arnesen Wed 24 Jul 2002, 07:45 GMT
- Re: AUT: State capitalism?,
Nate Holdren Wed 24 Jul 2002, 15:13 GMT
- Re: AUT: State capitalism?,
Stuart Watkins Wed 24 Jul 2002, 15:17 GMT
- Re: AUT: State capitalism?,
Battaglia comunista Wed 24 Jul 2002, 22:48 GMT
- Re: AUT: State capitalism?,
Harald Beyer-Arnesen Thu 25 Jul 2002, 00:46 GMT
- Re: AUT: State capitalism?,
Harald Beyer-Arnesen Thu 25 Jul 2002, 19:36 GMT
- Re: AUT: State capitalism?,
Nate Holdren Thu 25 Jul 2002, 19:59 GMT
- Re: AUT: State capitalism?,
Harald Beyer-Arnesen Fri 26 Jul 2002, 02:25 GMT
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