Re: AUT: Re: State capitalism?

[nestor mcnab <nestor_mcnab@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Section H.3.13 "Why is state socialism just state capitalism?"
can also give an idea of anarchist positions on this question.
(http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/secH3.html)

Nestor


 --- cwright <cwright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Aufheben has a great series on
theorization of so-called 'communist regimes'
> Issues 6-9 http://www.geocities.com/aufheben2/  Also, the literature around
> Raya Dunayevskaya, Amadeo Bordiga, CLR James, Paresh Chattopadhyay,
> Socialism or Barbarism, and the Situationist International (all of which
> Aufheben references, and more) is certainly worth reading.  Paresh and
> Bordiga both argue against the term state capitalism, IMO correctly.  There
> are the far less interesting variants of 'state capitalism' found within
> Trotskyism such as Tony Cliff's stuff, but it's really quite awful and only
> worth reading for an understanding of their politics.  In the Trotskyist
> camp, Lutte Ouvriere has a more interesting argument based on the idea that
> outside Russia the abscence of workers' revolutions and the establishment of
> workers' organs of self-management and self-determination (councils, etc.)
> created 'bourgeois states without a bourgeoisie'.
>
> Some of the debate revolves around whether or not you think that Lenin was
> secretly seeking to install capitalism or whether you think he was a
> revolutionary with a seriously compromised politics with a logic he himself
> never grasped, but which he was in the grasp of.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
> "In a world which really is topsy-turvy, the true is a moment of the
> false." - Debord
>
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> From: "Per-Anders Svrd" <per-anders.svard@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:56 AM
> Subject: AUT: State capitalism?
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> > Hello!
> >
> > I'm trying to get an overview of the debate on "state capitalism" (i. e.
> > the question of whether the USSR, China and other self-proclaimed
> > "socialist" states are/were in fact capitalist in character).
> >
> > Any good resources out there?
> >
> > Best,
> > Per-Anders
> >
> >
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