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Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference
- Subject: Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference
- From: bartelbyvqf@xxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:24:37 -0400
Well right,
the article takes a very idealist approach. But rather than the idealism of the late enlightenment, which the writer characterizes as a product of the experience of the world from a male perspective, it posits a female telos. The writer Carla Lonzi clarifies that she is not speaking in biological determinist terms but in terms of how (at least) her worldview begins from a different orientation than that of, as she says in the title, Hegel. The article places itself in the context of the second wave of feminism in Italy but really fails to explain how feminism got to that point and extrapolate from that where it must go.
mcapri
Harald Beyer-Arnesen <haraldba@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <bartelbyvqf@xxxxxx>
>To: <aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: 21. juli 2002 16.08
>Subject: Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference
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>
>> Hi,
>> Recently read a piece called "Let's Spit on Hegel" in a collection of
>Italian feminist writings. The basic argument made is that feminine equality
>means equality to men and that women should aspire to become subjects on
>their own terms rather than leaving the role ascribed to them by men to take
>on the role ascribed to men for themselves. The piece is without any
>sugestions about how such a thing could be realized programmatically but I
>found it very thought provoking.
>> matt
>
>Women's emancipation entails women becoming more like
>men in some aspects. More aggressive, for instance. To a
>large extent this is already happening. On the other hand, how
>many men really want to be confined to "the role" ascribed
>to them? I have not met many. Or to put it otherwise, how
>many at all, regardless of their sex, want to be confined to
>"the roles" ascribed to them within contemporary society?
> I have not read it but I suspect I would be very sceptical
>to the article you mention. Matt. It sound like something I've
>heard many times before. It never convinced me.
>
>Harald
>
>
>
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- Thread context:
- Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference, (continued)
- Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference,
Ilan Shalif Sun 21 Jul 2002, 11:07 GMT
- Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference,
bartelbyvqf Sun 21 Jul 2002, 14:08 GMT
- Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference,
Thomas Seay Sun 21 Jul 2002, 17:48 GMT
- Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference,
Harald Beyer-Arnesen Sun 21 Jul 2002, 20:34 GMT
- Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference,
bartelbyvqf Mon 22 Jul 2002, 01:24 GMT
- Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference,
Michael Handelman Mon 22 Jul 2002, 02:10 GMT
- Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference,
Ilan Shalif Mon 22 Jul 2002, 09:37 GMT
- Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference,
Harald Beyer-Arnesen Mon 22 Jul 2002, 13:40 GMT
- Re: AUT: critiquing biological determinism/ideology of difference,
topp8564 Mon 22 Jul 2002, 14:08 GMT
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