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Re: AUT: cognitive mapping
- Subject: Re: AUT: cognitive mapping
- From: "Chris Hurl" <munkah@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:13:42 -0700
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<P>Hey everyone,</P>
<P>I'm still not sure what to think. This is certainly not a black and white issue. </P>
<P>For instance, books such as Piven and Cloward's "Poor People's Movements" in which the material processes of a wide range of different movements from the labour movement of the 20s and 30s to the welfare rights movement of the 70s are exposed. This text lays out the material processes of cooptation that have taken place both internally and externally in these movements. Certainly, this book could be of some use to the state. However, I feel that it is an important contribution to our understanding of how to effectively organize. </P>
<P>Likewise, you could look at Todd Gitlin's book about the SDS, "The Whole World is Watching" in the same light. He exposes many of the internal processes and rifts that took place within the organization, which could be of some use to the State, but it is also a critical way to understand and transform our practices so that we do not make the same mistakes again. </P>
<P>Finally, the literature that has arisen from Paulo Freire's "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" could be seen in one light as extremely underhanded, documenting the organization of consciousness raising groups in South America. Certainly, these groups have been brought to the attention of the State, however, they also present important lessons that can be learned in organizing. </P>
<P>It all depends on what light you look at it in. If we assume that activists perpetuate an unchanging set of cognitive processes that simply need to be exposed in order to bring about state cooptation then certainly these projects have all undermined our struggle. However, if these texts are taken as examples, meant to transform our practices as a way of more effectively challenging the state, then they can be very useful. </P>
<P>chris <BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: cwright <CWRIGHT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<DIV></DIV>>To: aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: AUT: cognitive mapping
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:48:50 -0500
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Michael,
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Capital was a critique of political economy. To the extent that capital's
<DIV></DIV>>minions read it as an economics text, as most post-Marx Marxism has done,
<DIV></DIV>>they have gotten nothing out of it. Capital the book didn't give capital's
<DIV></DIV>>minions specific insights into the functioning and means of recuperating
<DIV></DIV>>revolt and revolutionaries. Big difference from what is being talked about
<DIV></DIV>>here, regardless of whether or not anyone agrees or disagrees with the
<DIV></DIV>>cognitive mapping project.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Cheers,
<DIV></DIV>>Chris
<DIV></DIV>>"In a world which really is topsy-turvy, the true is a moment of the
<DIV></DIV>>false." - Debord
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Miachael wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> > I'm finding a lot of these arguments against cognitive
<DIV></DIV>> > mapping, because it could help the ruling class, to be
<DIV></DIV>> > somewhat bizarre.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > By this logic, Marx shouldn't have written Capital,
<DIV></DIV>> > because Capital has been (generally speaking) more
<DIV></DIV>> > useful to the ruling class (up till now), than to the
<DIV></DIV>> > liberatory project.
<DIV></DIV>>
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- Re: AUT: cognitive mapping, (continued)
- Re: AUT: cognitive mapping,
Chris Hurl Tue 09 Jul 2002, 09:25 GMT
- Re: AUT: cognitive mapping,
Michael Handelman Tue 09 Jul 2002, 10:57 GMT
- Re: AUT: cognitive mapping,
topp8564 Tue 09 Jul 2002, 14:44 GMT
- Re: AUT: cognitive mapping,
cwright Wed 10 Jul 2002, 05:48 GMT
- Re: AUT: cognitive mapping,
Chris Hurl Wed 10 Jul 2002, 09:13 GMT
- Re: AUT: cognitive mapping,
Nate Holdren Wed 10 Jul 2002, 15:20 GMT
- Re: AUT: cognitive mapping,
cwright Wed 10 Jul 2002, 20:52 GMT
- Re: AUT: cognitive mapping,
Chris Hurl Wed 10 Jul 2002, 21:11 GMT
- Re: AUT: cognitive mapping,
cwright Wed 10 Jul 2002, 21:44 GMT
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