Re: AUT: Fascism (Replies to Harald and Chris)

["Peter Jovanovic" <peterzoran@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

hi all

Harald wrote:
>And what does the phrase "capital does" mean anyway?

sorry, i guess i should have said what (pro-)capitalists do.

>Was the emergence fascism of populist mass movements something capital
>*did*?

the major capitalists and the state didn't create fascism but they did help
it grow and then basically handed power to Mussolini and Hitler.

>And what was the "mass proletarian struggles" in Germany in the 30ies?

yeah there wasn't much struggle. hopefully this bit by Dauve will answer
your question:

"With the 1929 crash, when even the ruling class had to be disciplined, this
time capital found that not just radicals but also respectful union leaders
could be a burden. The bourgeois-reformist compromise set in motion by the
workers 14 years before became more a hindrance than a help.  Hitlerism was
not inevitable, with its grotesque and murderous paraphernalia. But on
January 30th, 1933, some strong central power was the order ofthe day, and
the only options left to Germany were straightforwardly statist and
repressive ones, to be settled out of proletarian reach."
(whole article at: http://www.geocities.com/aufheben2/auf_7_barrot.html)

Chris wrote:
>commie00, the idea that Dauve has that capital has found better mechanisms
> >is problematic.  It assumes that capital can pick and choose.  Capital
>could >not pick what weapons it had available in the 1920's and 30's.

actually i bought up Dauve. i don't have time right now to look up his exact
words but i think it was in 'When Insurrections Die'. However i don't think
he meant Capital could have chosen a 'weapon' other than fascism in the 20s
and 30s. rather that since WW2 there are better weapons available such that
fascism is pretty unlikely in the most advanced capitalist countries.

peter


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