AUT: Re: response to tahir Re: Re: Re: Star Wars and

["Tahir Wood" <twood@xxxxxxxxx>]

>>> commie00@xxxxxxxxx 02/15/02 09:22PM >>>
You said:
> "the closest would be the
> dispersal of physical energies [which can not be created or destroyed,
> remember] into everything else when we die)."
what the hell does this have to do with the "conservation of energy?" this
was refering to death... that is: since energy can not be created or
destroyed (only transformed) according to physics, what happens to all the
physical energy in our bodies when we die? according to buddhism it simply
disperses into everything else. and that "it" is not "you", since there is
no consciousness, no affectations of being a living being left there. its
just electricity, etc. transforming and moving on.

Tahir: This IS conservation of energy. It is neither created or destroyed. It just reappears somewhere else in some other form. And as I've pointed out to you, this doctrine does appear in other religions and philosophies, for example in Ibn Rushd. What on earth do you understand the word 'conservation. to mean then?

> i'm not terribly interested in purity, and i could prolly point out more
> problems in buddhism than you have so far...

Tahir: I must say, I think it is about time that you did so.

because there are clear contradictions between schools of "buddhism"...
tharavadan and zen tend to be a little closer to what the gautama buggha
proportadly taught, etc. its just a statement based on opservations i've
made, and on arguments between "buddhists".

Tahir: "Purportedly" and "arguments" sounds like some of your projections onto Buddhism are also contested in Buddhist circles too.

one of your major problems here is that you keep trying to streamline
"buddhism" into some kind of easily containable thing that you can hate.
but, unfortunately, the more you talk the more clear it becomes that your
limited knowledge is completely based in your own prejudices

Tahir: "prejudices"? Me? When you have the gall to denigrate the philosophies and traditions of millions of people and ages of history around the world in favour of the chosen, true, pure and unique one? Give me a break.

 and have
nothing to do with any attempts to understand buddhism or taoism in a
materialist fashion (which would call for, first and formost, recognizing
the intense differences between schools of buddhist thought).

Tahir: Yeah well how about understanding a few other schools of thought yourself, outside of your own little pet enthusiams, then you wouldn't have so much trouble with a fairly simple concept like 'conservation of energy'.

let alone the fact that 90%+ of bar activity is centered around alcohol,

Tahir: Ooh shocking!

> is this necessarily revolutionary? no. can it have revolutionary
> implications? yes, in the sense that it can help us to understand some of
> what is going on, etc.
>

what the fuck is this supposed to be? slip in some hippy on your way to type
that sentence or something?

Tahir: Yes I did, on the net.

> i know tons of marxists who purport to be materialists and dialectians who
> also openly state that they are not revolutionaries, than revolution is
> impossible at this point, etc. etc. this kind of thinking is possible
> anywhere, and is not indicative of any school of thought.
>
> Tahir: Well then any school of thought is more or less as good as another,
if what you say above is true. Why didn't you say that in the first place? I
wouldn't have bothered with this debate.

you know, you make a lot of fucking leaps of logic... how the hell did you
come to "any school of thought is more or less as good as another" from
"this kind of thinking is possible anywhere [etc.]"?

Tahir: It follows logically from what you said. Now I suggest you go and do a little transcendental meditation; you are getting cross and you know that's not good for the people around you.

i wasn't saying that all schools are equal, but that no schools are above
criticism and reproach.

Tahir: I look forward to your learned critique of Buddhism, which I will certainly engage with.



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