AUT: Re: lenin's admission of state-capitalism ... To "Commie00"

[Neil Fettes <benn@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 01:53 AM 22/02/01 +0100, Mauro  wrote:

>To Commie00
>In plane Italian we would say "ma che cazzo dici?".
>I'm waiting from you or from somebody else in the list the precise
quotation of >Lenin  saying "socialism is state capitalism".
>Even if yuo does not own the Lenin complete works, you should read at least
The >State andthe Revolution, for knowing what socialism was for Lenin.
>I'm not saying with this (Tahir, listen) that we internationalists support
>every word and every position of Lenin in his own days. I'm just indignant
for >the distortions of the Lenin and the bolsceviks thoughts on the basis
of if i >remember correctly or

How about this one from "The Impending Catastrophe and how to Combat it" ?

"For socialism is merely the the next step forward from state-capitalist
monopoly. Or in other words, socialism is merely state-capitalist monopoly
_which is made to serve the interests of the whole people_ and has to that
extent _ceased_to be capitalist monopoly."


Now one quote doesn't really prove anything, and I personally believe Lenin
thought what he was building was socialism.  "State & Revolution" has some
important stuff in it, but it also contains Lenin's admiration for the
German postal system. However, it's clear, and I think the IBRP comrades
would agree Lenin never really broke from certain IInd International
concepts about the state and workers' relationship to it. Lenin also wrote
that State-capitalism would be an advance for Russia, given the low level of
developement.

If anyone is interested I can post the new introduction by Red & Black Notes
to Gilles Dauve's article "The Renegade Kautsky and His Disciple Lenin."

CGs

Neil/R&BN




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