Re: AUT: Re: autonomist crisis theory

["Chris Wright" <cwright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hey Paul,

I largely agree with your idea that Loren Goldner's arguments have some
serious limits.  I think you point one out here.  However, I don't think we
should look at the Enlightenment and the Protestant Reform as exactly
opposed to each other.  Rather, I think they have a certain parallel
movement.  Its not as if capital gave rise only to a kind of militant
secularism.  The more important issue is the particular way Enlightenment
thinkers and Protestant reformers both radically turned away from the
Catholic view of the world shared largely by all of feudal Europe.  Goldner
neglects this side of the problem, for sure.

More should be said, but I am trying to answer a few other things, so I will
leave it at that.

Cheers,
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Bowman" <paul.bowman@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: AUT: Re: autonomist crisis theory


> Hi Chris,
>
> I would definitely be interested in seeing any analysis on the Critique of
> the Gotha Programme - particularly from a non-orthodox point of view,
> especially as I see this piece as pivotal in delineating socialist from
> communist and those in between (to over-simplify recklessly, I see a
right -
> centrist - left division between socialists - those who believe that the
> lower stage is necessary before the higher, centrists - the lower stage
was
> once necessary but if it is possible to go directly to the higher stage
then
> that is preferable, and the communists - the ower stage will never lead to
> the higher stage and can only lead to counter-revolution and the
reformation
> of capitalism). Be good if you could get it onto the list (or the web and
> pass an URL).
>
> BTW I haven't forgotten about your essay on Marxism and WSP, I have
managed
> to get through it all in fits and starts - I need to re-read and then send
> you considered points. But braodly speaking I agree with your general
crits
> of RT folks (although as I have no knowledge of them or their stuff -
apart
> from 2nd or 3rd hand, that's kinda not as valuable an opinion as if it
were
> otherwise). Although I'm still a bit wary of the link between
enlightenment
> & racism stuff - I looked at Loren Goldners 2 arts on the web (pub'd in RT
> originally I believe) and while I enjoyed some of it I disagreed with his
> point about secularism being needed to undermine the catholic theology of
> "equal in the eyes of god" - has the guy never heard of Calvin , the
> doctrine of double pre-destination etc. - the very reason the apartheid
> system in "Northen Ireland" has been able to express itself through
religion
> was precisely for the reason that a religious foundation for racism was
> found through Calvin and presbyterianism - hey, in their belief us taigs
> were condemned to burn in hell for all enternity before we were even born
by
> god himself, who needs "scientific racism" when you've got that sort of
> licence to kill?
>
> Enough, back to wage slavery :(
>
> Paul
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Chris
> > Wright
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:29 AM
> > To: aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: AUT: Re: autonomist crisis theory
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > My starting point in a lot of this is the same.  I also find Holloway,
> > Bonefeld, et al, very suggestive.  If anyone is interested, I
> > have just run
> > across some excellent material by Paresh Chattopadhyay.  His book
> > on capital
> > and the Soviet Union seems very interesting and his piece on the
> > Critique of
> > the Gotha Program and its critique of Lenin is outstanding.  sadly, I
only
> > have it in hard copy.  He starts from the point of view that Marx's
notion
> > of two stages of communism assumes the abolition of the state!
> > Very close,
> > detailed reading and an excellent approach.  If there isinterest,
> > i will try
> > to reproduce sections of his piece on this list, as I think it
> > would be VERY
> > valuable.
>
>
>
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