AUT: Re: SPGB and the state

["Chris Wright" <cwright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well, I do not know them, so I am probably missing a number of things.
However, the issue is not for me 'state capitalism' (a term I find
problematic at best), but the question of what revolution means.  It does
not mean taking state power or building a 'worker's state' in the old sense.
Anyway, i am repeating what I wrote to Tahir.  See that post.

Cheers,
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "neil" <74742.1651@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "autopsy" <aut-op-sy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:19 AM
Subject: AUT: SPGB and the state


> Chris W,
>
> Yes the SPGB holds a left social democratic  view on the 'capturing' of
the
>
> political state, but they are NOT typically reform social democrats -- or
> do we charge them with wanting state-cap rule  (even if what you say
> about  taking over the bourg state machinery is a recipe for some state
cap
> scheme is true).
>
> Actually they (SPGB) denounced the Stalino-communist movement  correctly
as
>
> state-caps . They are right.
>
> But -They also  think the bolshevik revolution was just another bourgeois
> revolution (a  leftist putsch!)  from the get-go in Oct . 1917. They are
> wrong.  They
> never even objectively  examine the role of soviet-council power in
> bringing
> this  about-- all they deal with is the tactical-strategic  errors of the
> Bolsheviks Party in carrying
> thru the struggle as if the BP could have carried thru the struggle with
no
> mistakes, blunders or bloodshed
> and without soviet workers-soldiers  councils mass  support +  success.
> extension of revolution s
> in Europe,  Germany, Austria, Finland,  Italy, etc..
>
> (Suggest reading IBRP pamphlet '1917' dealing with the Russian
> councils-Party -mass
> struggles and movement.) Part 1 available now for 2 pounds ($3) + post  .
> Part 2 will be out soon. --- from  CWO, Box 338, Sheffield  S3 9YX, UK
>
> Yet  we say as parliamentary cretinish as SPGB is, they , unlike  the
> leftist stalino-trots-SD
> lib-lab swamp did not cross the class line on the question of imperialist
> war-- They did not
> support WW1 or WW2 imperialist wars -- but did not build Rev. opposition
in
> the  class
> to turn these wars around into class wars against the barbaric ruling
class
> states as would be
> a real courageous  working class stand.
>
> Neil
> www.ibrp.org
>
>
>
>
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