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Re: AUT: Re: Marxism not worth defending
- Subject: Re: AUT: Re: Marxism not worth defending
- From: Jamal Hannah <jah@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:50:33 -0800 (PST)
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 fabian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>Marx's support for the North and indeed the racist Abe Lincoln shows a
>complete failure by him to think outside a euro-entric framework. He never
>took up the issue of the self-emancipation of the slaves and their
>attempts to seize control of the planations which were suppressed by the
>union forces. He never discusses the reconstruction in the South, which
>included having governements with working class people (i.e. ex-slaves) in
>them. He never discussed the full ramifications of the complex political
>process involving both the Northern Army of occupation, the freedmen, the
>ex-slave owners, carpet-baggers and poor whites . . .
Had Marx took up those issues, he would have been an anarchist.
>whereas the marxist sects emerge through a process of continual
>fragmentation as they find issues to disagree upon and hence to
>distinguish themselves from each other. Thus amongst the multitude of
>marxist sects there is clearly as much diversity as amongst anarchists.
Not true. Marxist sects are more like each other than different.
And, each sect refuses to cooprate with the other and believs that it is
the true vangaurd of the world revolution.. whjereas anarchist groups work
together in harmoney, dispite their differences. All anarchist disputes
are temporary, whereas Marxist ones are eternal.
>Jamal wrote:
>
>>There was a problem a few years ago with anarchism drifting too far
>>towards postmodernism and away from class struggle. This problems seems
>>to have now been resolved as all anarchists recognize capitalism as the
>>enemy, it's just that some place different priority on fighting it.
>
>This is good news indeed! What happened to those anarchists who thought
>the class struggle anarchism <<outdated>>?
People like Anarchy magazine and the anarchy-list started talking about
class struggle again, basicaly. As for the people who thought class
struggle was outdated, well, they either changed their minds or became
something other than anarchists.
The only "anarchists" who dont like class struggle now are
anarcho-capitalists, who arnt anarchists at all, but corporate fascists.
(Neoliberals)
- Jamal
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- Thread context:
- Re: AUT: WTO, (continued)
- AUT: solidarity statement,
jeff Tue 21 Dec 1999, 19:48 GMT
- AUT: Re: Marxism not worth defending,
Fabian Tompsett Tue 21 Dec 1999, 18:38 GMT
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- AUT: Re: Marxism not worth defending,
fabian Wed 22 Dec 1999, 05:27 GMT
- Re: AUT: Re: Marxism not worth defending,
Jamal Hannah Wed 22 Dec 1999, 15:50 GMT
- RE: AUT: Re: Marxism not worth defending,
Paul Bowman Wed 22 Dec 1999, 18:17 GMT
- Re: AUT: Re: Marxism not worth defending,
Harald Beyer-Arnesen Thu 23 Dec 1999, 04:59 GMT
- Re: AUT: Re: Marxism not worth defending,
fabian Fri 24 Dec 1999, 06:00 GMT
- Re: AUT: Re: Marxism not worth defending,
Harald Beyer-Arnesen Fri 24 Dec 1999, 16:20 GMT
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