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AUT: IN #20 nat-libbing , three worldsism/maoism
- Subject: AUT: IN #20 nat-libbing , three worldsism/maoism
- From: neil <74742.1651@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:48:40 -0400
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From: neil, 74742,1651
TO: Leninism, INTERNET:leninist-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
CC: Neil C., 74742,1651
DATE: 8/23/99 6:06 PM
RE: IN #20
Dear Abu, Nestor, Andy, et al .
The material evidence of nat-lib movements post WW1
being recuperated into the artillery of capital, local and
allied to one bunch of metro imperialist states is obvious.
>From the early CI parties of backing Ataturk in Turkey ,
Chaing kai-shek in China , Caballero in Spain, etc, the
workers movements and parties were drowned in blood
beacuse these national bourgeois recognized their own class
interests and future were firstly bound up with disciplining the
labor force to waged slavery , austerity so as to compete
in the world market and make lucrative alliances with
the big imperialists themselves to draw in needed capital
and gain markets for themselves .
(It should be noted for those who like to take straw men
a la Euro- chauvinists a la Bernstein , Henderson, etc to tar their
opponents as being influenced by their ideas that the greatest
opponents to Lenin's views on nat-lib in the CI in 1919-21 were
Sultan Zadeh (Iranian CP) and M. Roy (Indian CP) whose views
are close to the ones I have put forward for the Communist-left here.
Also I reiterate my point that Lenin stated clearly in the 2nd CI
congress
that his victorious position should be taken up again at a future
date).
Later the situation of nat-libbed regimes /movements
facing radicalized toilers meant that many of them donned
a "socialist' or 'marxist-leninist' mask, but the end result was the
same , the nat-lib champions are stuck backing outfits
like UNITA in Angola vs. MPLA vs. FNLA trying to 'pick a side'.
Each national-lib front is backed up by one imperialist power or
another and in their service/orbit .
Today you get some nat-libbers cheering for the KLA in the Balkans/
Kosovo even though the evidence is overwhelming that the KLA is a
creature of German and US imperialism.
This is not to back the Milosevic state cap regime but only
to show that all forces governing there are rabidly anti-worker as they
crush
working class movements and actions , in the service of being
'patriotic' and "for our nation", i.e for the ruling class interests .
In Bosnia recently , all the nat-libbers there practiced ethnic cleansing
too.
Croatian, Bosnian and Serb nat libbers at the behest of the bourg.
nationalist platform/interest. They are backed by one imperialist power or
another & wrecked all proletarian unity .
Today even Madeline Albrights and Bill Clinton's speeches are laced
with paens to the the masses 'rights to determine their own self
detrrmination " and "national freedom" . Some here think the masses
can out-smart the bourgeois using a bourgeois programme and ideology
to forward workers class interests.
So far, the track record for this looks none too good.
In Africa, much of the continent has gone thru a blaze of nat-libbing .
Now many of these 'freedom fighter' regimes are at each others throats,
Some backed by French, some backed by British, some backed
by China, some backed by US imperialism, etc. Zimbabwe and
South Africa,etc can be wracked with the AIDS plague, mass
impoverishment of their toiling millions who live in hovels and
cant even get potable water, but that won't stop the nat libbers from
plunging
conscripted forces and monies into the Congolese war, because they too
have joined the imperialist scrambles for loot , raw materials , diamonds,
copper, gold , manganese etc.
Nat-libbing today no doubt also gets new meaning for its champions
in Namibia where SWAPO was granted state power by the UN in 1990
and today one of its regions, Caprivi , A CLA - thats "Caprivi Liberation
Army"
has been set up by dissatisfied tribal Royalty in Zambia and
financed by South African businessmen. This outfit also toots
the horn of "self-determination' and "national liberation". The CLA
only epitomizes the the bankruptcy of tailing the national bourgeois
programme .
Lastly those who are backing the nat-nibbing here by means of
a "Three Worlds Analysis" here are really sinking in Maoist political
quicksand. The Maoists in China developed this theory as a "left"
nationalist ideological cover to pave the way for Mao's open
alliance with US and other Western imperialists in the early 70s.
Even many Maoists worldwide were shocked when they saw what
this meant in practice. Using the "Three Worlds Theory" China persued its
own national interests and tried to unite not only with fake
'nationalist socialist' regimes , but now this was extented to alliance
with the most reactionary national bourgeoisie regimes in the peripheral
countries as well, the Shah in Iran, Bhutto in Pakistan, Quaboos in
Oman , Pinochet in Chile. Mobutu in Zaire , etc et al.
>From there it was a diplomatic note and a few ping pong matches
away from Maoist alliances and support for such regimes /capital as the
regime of Nixon in the USA, the parties of Strauss in (then Federal
Germany), etc.. The Chinese national bourgeois then were defending THEIR
class interests, ie those of state capitalist system and they knew the
real class meaning of "Three Worldsism" -as did Nixon and Strauss!
This is but the logical result of the anti -proletarian
ideologies/programmes
a la national -libbing (in this epoch) . It is worse when draped in
'marxist '
garb, is it not?. And i think it is disingenuous or worse to then find
some
illusory Chinese Wall (pardon the pun) that promotes politics , ideology
,
and culture too as detatched from the social/economic systems existing
and in contention. This method is not materialist dialectics but almost
pure idealism.
Nat-libbing had some of its most militant pseudo-marxist form in Maoism
and its "Three-worldist' arguments/ideology . What "three worldists"
end up
promoting is a cover for the very vulgar " economist" interests not only
of slick and
aspiring 'populist' national bourgeois in peripheral countries, but also
its progenitors that paved the way for the Chinese state- capitalist regime
today.
All the false bravado aside, lets just look at the track record.
This was a sharp & needed debate!
Neil
Communist-left
http://www.ibrp.org
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