Re: AUT: Remarks on Midnight Notes

[Aim Deuelle-Luski <camerlo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 01:46 20/01/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Here again the confusing of value, price and commodities:
>
>Paul Mattick wrote:
>
>> One more comment on Franco's message, which I reread after reading G.
>> MacDonald's comment, which I wish to second: F.B. like Harry Cleaver
>> confuses "the production of labor power as a commodity" and "the
>> determination of the value of labor power". Historically, as he says,
>> the socalled primitive accumulation was the transformation of artisans and
>> peasants into wage workers; once capitalism has developed, labor power, in
>> the form of
>> laborers, has to be reproduced by all the activities: shopping, cooking,
>> eating, watching TV, etc. required. But none of this labor is
>> value-producing labor.
>
>ANY labor which is SOCIALLY needed for production of a commodityto reach the
>end-user, is entered into its value. The value of a fruit is
>not only the work needed to grow it, but all the treatment involved
>till it reach the mouth of the consumer - including paper work
>and supermarket workers and managerial.
>Any one who know something about production recognize the concept
>"over heads" for needed work that cannot be allocated to specific unit
>of production.
>
>As the domestic work is needed both for reproduction of the new
>generation and for maintaining the adult workers - so s/he can
>go to work, this work IS SOCIALLY needed, thus, part of the value
>of the said commodity.
>
>> This is why the value of LP is determined not by
>> the (unmeasurable in terms of abstract labor time)
>
>Why not, someone lost hir watch? The fact that partof it is usually not for
>sale, is not different in principle
>from other materials and half way parts of an end product.
>
>> work put into it, but by
>> the commodities consumed in its production. But this is to restate points
>> already argued for in my posts to Cleaver.
>
>According to this logic, "organic vegetables" grown by a personwithout adding
>fertilizers, water, chemical or machine - have no
>value.
>--
>Ilan Shalif
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>dear ilan
maybe we'll make an appointement in tamar?
what do u think?
give me some times to chosse
like friday or ???????
aim



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