Re: economics of communist societies (fwd)

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Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 04:06:53 +0200
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Subject: Re: economics of communist societies

At 16.49 30/04/97 -0400, Leutha Blissett (oh how funny is to joke with the
names) wrote
>
>
>Your examples are contradictory. Trotsky abandonned communism in favour of
>bolshevism. His ideological off-spring did not perpetuate his "mistakes"
>but promoted reaction. Eg they actively partcipated in supporting the 2nd
>World War. There is no "descending parabola".

M.jr
What does it mean "abandonned communism in favour of bolshevism"? Simply
that I was right in talking about a descending parabola=20
GIK-Councilism-moder councilists, as Leutha (or whoever is him) is the
typical modern councilist.

> Indeed I find it hard to understand why those whose defence of
>the third International ends with the second congress - i.e. that at which
>the Bolsheviks stitched it up - want to spend so much time defending
>Bolshevism. At least the GIK set out to analyse their error, whereas group=
s
>like C'WO seem to denigrate the Bolsheviks in practice while still
>defending their name. I don't know if the Internationalist Communist Party
>has a similarly bizarre position.

M.jr
I believe you cant understand why for us the Communist International ends
after the Second Congress: you start from your prejudice that bolshevism wa=
s
"anti-communist", which is not.
Has the October Revolution been a proletarian revolution? Yes. (and if you
say not, well, there is no mean to discuss further)
Has it been led by the bolsheviks on the basis of the revolutionary
programme for a soviet state? Yes
Are the first two Congresses aimed to favour the internationalisation of th=
e
communist revolution? Again, yes (read the documents please).
The Third Congress is already on the way out.
The Italian communist left began its battle there and went forward.... Read
the =B7 "Bordiga Last Fight in the Communist International 1926" in ICR14
(it's on our web-site) and perhaps you'll understand our "bizarre postion".
I find much more bizarre the positions of people who denigrate the October
revolution as a bourgeois one, when the entire class was moving, while see =
a
"movement" in every jerk of the intellectual strata of the petty bourgeoise
(e.g. the 1975 Italian movement of Laura).
Ciao
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